OK, that’s not true but it certainly got your attention. You’re here reading, aren’t you?
Led Zeppelin’s “Stairway to Heaven” definitely is a classic work that sits atop the pantheon of rock songs that will last forever. Nobody would deny it is a singular work of art. I love that song.
However, I was realizing today, that after listening to nearly an entire album, that they are perhaps the most overrated band of all time. That is to say, they are very talented, but people rate them way past what they deserve. They have 2, maybe 3, standout songs on a good album. People talk as if they’re unequalled and I disagree. “Kashmir” is great, so is “Stairway” but a lot of their stuff is, quite frankly, throwaway.
The Rolling Stones have (on their older albums) more good songs per album. The oeuvre of the Stones, Beatles, and even Elvis is much better. I think Zeppelin’s oeuvre pales in comparison.
For example, Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon” has more good songs on it than all of Zeppelin’s albums put together, yet many people claim Led is better. I disagree. You can all hate me for this, but I had to say it.
– E
NOTE: I have made a follow up blog post in October 2007.
NOTE 7-24-08: The comments are so numerous they don’t all display — only the first 200. If you want to see ALL the comments select “post a comment” at the bottom of the list, and then at the top and bottom of that screen you will see a “newer” button to see the rest.
NOTE 7-24-08: Here’s AUDIO backup for those claiming plagiarism in the comments. The claim being Led is the best COVER BAND of all time. Let your ears decide. All bands certainly “borrow” work to some extent but this is quite extensive.
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wow! i couldnt agree with you more, im glad to see someone has the balls to finally take a stand and prove that led zeppelin are not “the gods of rock.” that so many people have claimed them to be. but dont get me wrong, i really do appreciate some of their later songs but their early songs seemed reptetative and the lyrics were mostly based on women and makin love(not that i dont mind women or makin love, its just not something people in the real world can relate to.) Pink Floyd on the other hand, experimenting with synthesisers and producing DSOTM, an album that deals with real life issues that most people can relate too. which is why it was one of the most influental albums in rock history and stayed on the charts for over 10 years.
Thanks for posting. I can’t believe anyone bothered to agree with me. I was expecting flames.
I disagree that people can’t relate to makin’ love. I think many people can but it isn’t their entire existance.
I wish you weren’t anonymous :)
– E
i dont think you guys really listen to led zeppelin, or watch much of their live stuff. i think you all read too much rolling stones magazine. i dont understand where you are coming from. name a band that has what zeppelin has. The greatest rock voice of all time. a loud powerful drummer. one of the greatest most complete guitarists of all time. and a multi-talented bassist, who by the way is the most under-rated disrespected musician ever. you guys need to give them the respect they deserve. they wouldnt be thought of as rock gods if they werent rock gods. and about the pink floyd comment. the only people that liked pink floyd were stoners who listened to experimental music while they experimented with drugs. then people started to realize that pink floyd was a great band. so no one can say that they were a pink floyd fan from day 1. why dont you all just go out and buy “when the west was won” watch the whole thing. and tell me you didnt shake your butt to at least 90% of the songs. my name is jesse graham i am 17, i live in new york, only a few hours fromwhere woodstock 1969 took place, and i love led zeppelin
Hey, at least you have an opinion and can express it halfway intelligently. I totally disagree with you, but that’s cool. You can have your opinion and I can have mine. :)
– E
im comming from austin texas, and every other tool that walks around my highschool has a led zeppelin t-shirt that their mom got on sale at target. the music really attracts the “poser” crowd and im not going to be a part of it, of course i was a while back and then i actually started paying attention to the songs they played. I recieved Led Zeppelin “II” (btw its so creative that they didnt name their first 4 albums…) for christmas thinking i was going to have a “total badass experience” with some old rock that no one was listening to at my middle school. to my suprise, i could really only enjoy listening to Heartbreaker and that one that came after it. i hated every other song on this CD and i was so dissapointed from what i heard on the radio. (ive never read or even picked up a copy of Rolling Stone so these are entirely my opinions) now, everyone has their personal prefrence when it comes to music and i just couldnt stand Robert Plants Orgasmic outbreaks in the middle of songs so you can make sure hes still breathing. again the lyrics never really dealt with a specific issue that people could agree with or relate to.
women women women is about all i hear in a led zeppelin song and to be honnest… i dont care about your baby and how she calls you another guys name when your having sex.
if you think the “only people who listen to pink floyd were stoners” then tell that to the 35,000,000 people who have bought dark side of the moon and the 8,000 people who buy it every week. they were the first to use the synths and they were the best at using them. they spent countless hours recording music but managed to release way more albums than zeppelin did.
i sure hope your not mekimirme…
First, to be clear, I don’t hate Led Zeppelin because I do, in fact, like them. I just said they’re way overrated.
As for Pink Floyd, I wish to point out that Dark Side of the Moon holds the record for the most consecutive weeks on the top 100 best-seller album chart where it sat for 13 straight *YEARS*. Look it up. Add up all of Led’s together and see what you get. Yawn.
– E
well dark side of the moon has sold an estimated 35,000,000 albums world wide
acording to wikpedia.com and The wall has sold and estimated 23,000,000 albums in america, led zeppelin album with guy holding sticks… sold an estimated 22,000,000 albums in america according to the guiness book of world records 2004. one million is a pretty big number.
tell that to the 35,000,000 people who have bought dark side of the
^not true.. get ur facts straight buddy
and also.. i’m not dissing pink floyed of anything but i really dont think they wer that great. i’ve been around long enough to see them live.. great concert and all but there are deffinitly better.the who.. queen.. you name it. The Absolute BEST live act i’ve ever sceen was Led Zeppelin. i saw them 3 times (LA fourm 72,75,77) if you think zep is overrated then u really need to listin to “how the west was one” or “BBC sessions” or, rent the Dvd and watch the Royal albert hall show. (im not going to recomend “the song remains the same”)i Gaurentee you will be stunned. also, compair the live versions to the studio versions.
“achillies last stand” has a huge amount of guitar overdubs. (10 i think) the fact that jimmy could play that song live is amazing.
as someone earlyer said.. “there rock gods for a reason.” also the T-shirt thing.. i cant stand it eather.. i see so many people ALWAYS wearing the exact “led zeppelin united states of america tour 77′” shirt and it piss me off because half the kids don’t even listin to zep ir any of there live stuff. im sick of people saying things like “zep is ok.. they dont have any good songs”
people who say things like that ovbiously have only heard the super popular ones like stairway to hevan, Whole lotta love and kashmir…
and person who only has led zeppelin 2… you ovbiously havent listened to all the songs.. try listioning to one and IV and presence and Physical graffiti.. all of those albums are ‘heaver’
finnaly… if you think they’re not creative than u haven’t heard their music… they are soo incredibly creative its amazing. if you dont see the creativity than you probably dont play any insturments… so you wouldent understand the musicality of it.
ive played trombone for 4 years, guitar for 1 year, i can play bass, and i am learning to play piano.
my facts are straight buddy, wikpedia.com doesnt lie and it can be found on other sources aswell. pink floyd is probably the greatest live band. watch some of the wall tours, In the Flesh, or pulse .they really added depth to their stage shows with the lasers, since the late 60s they always added depth to their stage preformance.
led zeppelin are rock gods for a reason, some kid saw a cadillac comercial and told his friends to drop the linkin park and slipknot and add 5 led zeppelin songs on his ipod.
dude, I’VE SCEEN PINK FLOYD LIVE, they were all about the stage preformence itself, not the music.
the lasers were really more of a gimmick than anything else.
led zeppelin on the otherhand, focused on the music, which rocked. shure by 77′ they had lasers too but the show wasent about the lasers.
And by the way, zep had been rock gods WAY the hall before the cadilac commercial.
lol, ive played the guitar for 25 years, and violin for 30, and yes, led zeppelin was the best live act out there. i saw them at madison square garden in 70,73, 75, and 77
i also saw pink floyd. the music was OK at best, the sad thing is that they played all of there songs exactly like the studio verson. zep would put everything into there live act, jimmy page once said “led zeppelin on a mediocre night was better than any other bands best.”
and its ture. they were masters at the insturments.
and did you even listen to ALL of led zeppelin II?
oh god, now im fighting off an army of burnouts…
ok pink floyd wasnt all about the stage preformance, their music always went beyond everything led zeppelin did, listen to atom heart mother suite. you can count atleast 10 different (assuming you can count and identify an instrument besides a damn les paul on a light distortion) instruments in the first 3 minnutes, but the song goes on for 21 minnutes of led zeppelin ass kickage, i swear every instrument led zeppelin recorded with in all their songs is used in this song.
and to Mr. ive played x instrument for y years, ive heard led zeppelin live plenty of times, they played some of their songs a little faster (main difference from the recorded version ) while they danced and pranced around on stage. then bonham busts out an hour drum solo or as i called the extended intermission.
” jimmy page once said ‘led zeppelin on a mediocre night was better than any other bands best.’ “
well i see why he would say that, considering hes an uptight nancy boy and mabe because HES A MEMBER OF THE BAND… and people like you that heard that quote when they were in highschool live with it your whole life, it grows on you, and no matter how far people push you back youll still try to support it.
“and did you even listen to ALL of led zeppelin II?” i listened to atleast 2 minnutes of everysong, really couldnt get into the orgasms.
VH1’s The Greatest: 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock
Thank you very much.
(Yes, Eric, this is still pissing me off. :> )
Sorry, but VH-1 has no business telling ANY fan of rock anything. VH-1 knows shit about rock. There are a number of authorities on Rock, but VH-1 has as much business commenting on Rock and Roll as does Jesse Helms.
Christ lads!I think you all need to cool it and stop acting like little girls.
To say Led Zeppelin are rock gods and Pink Floyd are not is stupid. It’s the same if you reverse to argument.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT BANDS!!
Two of the best bands ever to play music together at that. No one actually cares how long you’ve played an insrtument! Are you in led Zeppelin? The T shirts are over done, super, I’m glad we agree, but I think you should think twice before actually trying to convince anyone that one band is better then the other.
ok i was in a pissy mood when i posted here and im sorry if i have offended anyone, i really dont hate led zeppelin as much as you may think but I still prefer pink floyd over most bands. anyways…
peace
what ever helps you sleep at night…..
Hey guys, first time posting. I’ve weighed all you’ve said, and you all have valid points. I do own a Led Zeppelin shirt (two actually- the 77 tour, and the black Stairway shirt), yet I do not consider myself a poser. Why? Because I am slowly but surely buying everything they have. I’m teaching myself guitar so i can maybe learn to appreciate both bands (Led Zep and Pink Floyd) musically. Of course they’re two different bands. Pink Floyd is psychedelic-prog rock and Led Zeppelin is hard rock edging toward folk rock. Don’t believe me? Listen to III. I think shirts are like bumper stickers. All you people who voted, would you be called a poser for voting for Bush or Kerry? No? Of course not, because you support them, as I support my bands, which also include the Doors and CCR, just to name a very slight few. You’re right, I did notice Plant’s over-emphasis on orgasmic, ‘oh baby’ sort of lyrics. But compare that to today’s hip-hop, pop music and…I think you see that things never really change. Sex has always been a part of music. Just look at ‘Elvis the Pelvis.’ I take my music seriously. I’m building a vinyl collection because I feel like getting in touch with the era I missed out on. For instance, did you know that if you listen to Sgt. Pepper’s on a vinyl player without auto-return, the band’s gibberish at the end of ‘A Day in the Life’ goes on ad infinitum. I know people have different opinions. Sure, Pink Floyd used lasers a lot, particularly in the early years when LSD was prevalent. It wasn’t until Barrett left that they really developed as a band. You can’t tell me that Gilmour’s guitar solo on ‘Comfortably Numb’ didn’t blow you away. I didn’t have the luck and good timing of ever seeing Pink Floyd live, but I did see an Australian Pink Floyd Tribute Band (which played for Gilmour at his 50th birthday) and they blew me away. I am 18 years old, and I live in Maine. Music is my life. I think people need to focus more on why the music is still remembered today, and not fight about what they did wrong, but what they did right.
Well i would have to say Led Zeppelin does not suck. IF you listen to their albums, or watch some of there in concert stuff, it doesn’t look like they are even there to entertain you. There are 4 guys just playin music together, for their own enjoyment. Everything they do is a giant rock session. Jimmy Page has got to be the most versitile/agile guitar player ever. Robert Plant has a one of a kind voice. John Bonham, well just go see him play Moby Dick with his 20 minute drum solo and youll be sold. John Paul Jones is an underappreciated bassist who also plays one mean mandalin. I for one appreciate that raw music. Every song they have ever produced is a piece of art that no modern day artist can match. They are the gods of rock, with incorporating, blues, rock, pop, and everything into there music. Everything you hear today can be linked back to something Led Zeppelin has done. REST MY CASE.
When people say Led Zeppelin is the greatest band they are reffering to the talents they have. No one can match it. They have sold the second most albums in the world, right behind the beatles. Maybe the beatles have had more hits, but they have no where near the talents of that of led zeppelin.
To be honest I fink ur nt listenin2 da music!! every single song on the four symbols, II, I and Physical Graffitti is amazing. Led Zepp’s worst was beta dan most pps best.
Just my opinion i hope u understand. Plz listen 2 some of da live stuff wich i fink no one cud disagree is pretty unbelievable.
fanku 4 reading this.
me.
is obvious that they are the gods of rock. No one has been able to reach that kind of sound…not even the best bands in rock history. Their concerts were the best, with excellent sound and performances which lasted at least 2 and a half hours. Plus they released 4 albums in only 3 years!! Without counting both american tours and the one in england.
I think people try to be original and talk them down…but there’s no point in doing this. Everybody knows is the best band in the world.
I agree; Led Zeppelin are highly overrated; a lot of their best songs are outright stolen from various blues musicians (Muddy Waters, heck, even Joan freakin’ Baez!) Even a band like Queen shows more originality than these guys: I’m still waiting for some old blues musician to sue the Freddie Mercury estate for stealing a song! “Killer Queen,” perhaps?
(A few people have written me an asked why I have deleted some posts. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not I agree. However as soon as you resort to INSULTS, your post is deleted. Name calling, directed profanities, racial epithets, are all cause for deletion. Obviously, looking at the comments, I don’t care if you agree, but you have to have some modicum of intelligence. My tolerance for anonymous posts is SIGNIFICANTLY less than signed posts.)
hey you should totally have this post like laminated and golded, cuz i have no idea what i am saying. Anyway, i like cheese, butter, crystal monkeys, more cheese, lots of pie, and stuff that i am makin up on my way. what were you ppl talking about again anyway??
You people obviously dont know jack about rock. Zep, Stones and Beatles ruled the golden age of rock. EVERY Zep song is a classic! My opinion, but its fact they have TONS of great material. You folks probably ate up the liberal-lie crap that punk ruled in 76 and 1977. My rear end. Zep was number 1 in 77′, both live and in album sales. Punk only happened on the coasts, and didnt become mainstream until 93. AND GREENDAY SUCKS, so punk never really had the influence you think it did. Everyone knows Zep ruled. Get real and stop hating THE HAMMER OF THE GODS. John Bohnam would have lined up Jonny Rotten, Joe Strummer, Sid Vicious and slapped them like the idiots they were. I do like the clah and pistols, but they arent even in the same league as songwriters or performers.
man……if you can tell me ANY other band that has a hour or half hour of radio airplay everynight….likeZep has the “get the led out” on stations around the world…..then and ONLY then will you be able to talk about Led Zeppelin!
i happen to like some led zeppelin songs.they obviously did have a lot of talent. i guess they are kindve over-rated but they are good.i happen to like the bealtes cause they started rock and they lasted longer then anyone else.led zeppelin is good but beatles are better.the only thing i dont like about led zeppelin is robert plants singing and some lyrics.stairway to heavens lyrics are awesome though
Obviously none of you don’t know shit about rock otherwise you’d would be making money posting your two cents on the web. So your pretty much the minority on the subject, while a millions of other fans with a deeper apprecation of the their art buy ther records and exault them in to rock immortality.
Ok, everyone that says Led Zeppelin is overrated, stop it! If they are highly rated, guess why? They’re awesome!
some of the comments about led zep being over-rated are complete nonsense. the band itself included some of the greatest rock musicians of all time, and the sheer depth of their song-writing has never been equalled by any band! as for that rubbish about only a few songs on each album being good, get REAL man…every song on physical graffiti is awesome…in fact its far better than dark side of the moon, the wall, or any other pink floyd album. led zeppelin one is miles superior to piper at the gates of dawn, which was psychodelic nonsense. in my opinion, pink floyd were grossly over-rated. 200 million people cannot be wrong about zep, can they? and this crap about real life issues, and experimenting, and pink floyd producing a great/influential album (darkside of the moon)…is led zeppelin four symbols not an influential and great album? indeed it is…have pink floyd written a song as influential as stairway to heaven? i don’t think so!
hmm, 200 million people can’t be wrong? There have been some pretty ‘wrong’ things done in the name of various religions – easily more than 200 million people involved in that.
The number of people is irrelevant, if 200 million people see the same propaganda without anything to contrast it then they will probably believe it. Then it’s just the opinions of a tiny few that 200 million have blindly accepted.
At the moment, there is such a ‘Pro-Zep’ culture that young people just accept that they were a Good Band who played Good Music.
Looked at objectively; their songs don’t go anywhere, they’re not particularly interesting, there’s nothing to move you.
i’m too tired at 1:45 in the morning to read all of the posts but all of you who think zep is overrated are totally totally wrong. i actually would prefer it if they werent so popular but they deserve to be! the first person who replied to the article said that “women and makin love isn’t something people in the real world can relate to.” uhh it’s not? sex is one of the most popular things people talk about. anyway, anyone who says dark side of the moon is better than all of zeps albums are high on crack. you guys need to get off your butts and listen to some zep songs OTHER than stairway and kashmir and black dog. most of their non-hit songs are their best and most underrated songs. you will never find a band more diverse than them i can listen to almost all of their songs and never get bored. and the thing is there is only one, and i repeat ONE song by led zep that sounds like another. Bron Yr Aur and Going to California. besides that, name me one song that sounds like another. you can’t do it. led zeppelin is too diverse and too great to make any other songs sound like another of their own.
the person from austin texas is an idiot. he stopped listening to zeppelin because they attract posers. SO WHAT! as long as you’re not a poser, that’s what matters! not doing something because everyone else is doing it is just as bad as doing something because everyone is doing it. do what you like and what you want whether it attracts posers or is popular or not.
another thing to the austin texas guy. zep was way the heck better with the synths and just because they don’t talk about issues people can relate to doesnt mean they suck. they were solely based off the blues and them black folk enjoy talkin about women got a problem with that?
another thing…ON AND ON AND ON about freaking DARK SIDE OF MY ASSCRACK. hours and hours of perfection on the album. whoopdee doo. that just shows why zep is so much better. jimmy page would record three solos for each song they played with a solo. he’d pick the one he liked best and that would be it as the final copy. no 80 hours of recording the solo to perfection. he did it 3 times and picked the one he liked best. end of story. and he still managed to play one of the greatest guitar solos of all time in Stairway to heaven but has many many other great guitar solos. but enough of solos i’m not big on solos i’m a rhythm guitarist but anyway. yes yes yes i guess i do respect Floyd for how much time they put in on dark side of the moon but the only thing is is that when you’re playing live you don’t have 80 chances to play the solo perfect. on the other hand led zeppelin was great in the studio and in my opinion even better live. probably my favorite live band right ahead of AC/DC
a bunch of you idiots comparing led zeppelin and pink floyd by how many albums they sold are just plain STUPID. you guys are freakin posers. who cares that the wall sold 1 million more albums than zep 4. 4 is my second least favorite zep album. get off of your asses people and start listening to the rest of zeps albums please unlike all the stupid posers out there.
this is like my 4th post in a row cause i keep scrolling down and keep seeing these ridiculously idiotic, ignorant posts by people.
btw i’m chris smith from lansing, michigan.
Any people who say Led Zeppelin is overrated are dead wrong. They are the most pure and perfect rock band of all time. All four of them are masters of what they do and they come together to make a band so marvelous that to say that they are overrated should be a crime punishable by law. Alot of people may think that they were bad people, but they werent. They are NOT satanists, that crap about playing stairway to heaven backwards and getting satanic messages is ridiculous. I’ve listened to that clip countless times and you can barley hear a couple things that a paranoid christian freak (nothing against christians) might interpret as a satanic message. and they arent druggies either you arent a true Led Zeppelin fan if you dont know what stairway to heaven is about. Its about a woman addicted to cocaine. “she’s buying her stairway to heaven” has a very deep meaning that many people dont understand. The song is telling people not to do drugs. And with that I conclude my statement. All the members of Led Zeppelin are gods among men, and they should be treated as such.
-Logan Hockema
Damn right, Pink Floyd for example were heaps better, Where as Led Zeppelin just reached into the past of Black blues too borrow a riff to turn into there latest hit, Pink Floyd were looking forward using synths and layers and loops way before it was popular and easy to do, also most of Led Zeppelin’s songs are overly long for the sake of being long, id hate to see how long one of there albums were if they made one during the CD era.
Jimi Hendrix was better and deserves the crown because he sounded nothing like anything before him with the guitar playing and effects, and pushed that sound mainstream.
PS. I like Led Zeppelin though.
While I could not agree with you more, at least you had the good taste to give Stairway to Heaven the respect it deserves. It is a breathe of fresh air to see someone who can critic work without the use of such atrocities as “they r teh sux of teh world and they are ghey.”
With that being said, my opinion is that Zeppelin is the greatest band ever. They have done what no other band has come close to in the short 12 year span they existed. I know I’m starting to sound like the overexaggerators that you spoke of, but this is how I really feel. If I could only see one band live for the rest of my life, I would choose them over all others. Don’t get me wrong, I like Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, The Beatles, and all other “Classic” rock (which, by the way, classic is the only kind of rock).
The reason I have so much respect for them is because I am a guitarist and know how much work it takes to come even close to Page’s work. It has taken me 2 months to master Stairway to Heaven and I still skip on some parts because of it’s difficulty. However, in comparison, I mastered some of the greater songs, including Black Bird from the Beatles, in less than half a month each.
pink floyd is the greatest rock band ever. Nothing’s like it. It has a unique sound, clever lyrics, the most virtuous guitarrist ever, and the albums are all concept-albums. The floyd explored space rock, prog rock and created their own style. How can you compare this wonderful orchestra to a hard rock group that has 1000 clones?
Sorry, Led Zeppelin sucks. Back in college, my R.A. would blast Led Zeppelin and I would always hear that whiney, mollycoddled nancyboy’s harpy voice. It was like someone created a beam of concentrated suck and aimed it straight at my wall, easily piercing through it as it had no anti-suck insulation. And I mean, what am I going to do? It’s my R.A. Hell, he let us drink and smoke and whatever else we wanted, I’m not going to get on the man’s bad side over some craptacular music. Now, Pink Floyd…Pink Floyd used synths, which helped pave the way for a lot of crappy techno glowstick ravers. Good job, Pink Floyd. A lot of Floyd is slow and boring and takes like hours to actually get somewhere (whereas Zeppelin would just be in a perpetual state of nowhere). Pink Floyd had interesting chord structures though, from what I have heard from them (albeit I haven’t heard very much). Led Zeppelin stole a lot of chord structures. I remember when I showed one of my friends who loves Led Zeppelin some website that showed a list of all the songs Zeppelin ganked off of various musicians, he said “Yeah he stole them but they made them rock!!111!” It was rather disturbing because he’s a valedictorian. So now I wonder how he got there. I mean using the same logic you can be like YEAH I CHEATED ON MY ACT”S BUT I ROCKED THEM SUCKAZ LIKE NO1 ELSE.
Fellas, there’s a reason why both bands are overexaggerated. When you think about the 70s and 60s, can you REALLY name that many well known bands? Let’s see there’s Yes, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Rolling Stones, Black (or coloured for the politically correct) Sabbath, and the Beatles. And Yes and King Crimson aren’t even that well known nowadays. So, giving the benefit of the doubt, that’s only seven bands. Without said benefit, 5. Wow, five. That’s not a big number fellas. So naturally people are going to have to cling to something. The 60s and 70s were a sort of lost period in America that had a lot hype to it. I guess that’s what attracts all them youngbloods to it and they feel like they’ve missed out on something cool, so they try and hold on to it in the only way they can, through music. Music, the most popular of the aesthetics, and indeed very immortalized and mass produced. But for the colourful young rogue who stated, “Every song they have ever produced is a piece of art that no modern day artist can match,” i beg to differ, good sir! There are a lot of very, very good bands out today. The problem is that many people like to play ignorant and are so content basting in their 30-40 year old musical liquids, that they don’t even BOTHER to search for good music around today. Instead they just point at Brittney Spears and Linkin Park and bite their thumbs at it. That’s great and all, but there were plenty of one hit wonders back in the 70s and 60s as well. So what am I really saying? I guess I’m saying that you lads and fellows should try and find out more modern music. You can only live in the past for so long and stubbornly shun every other type of music that comes your way. I mean, look at what happened with Japan. Guns are more effective than swords. Technology is a wonderful thing. Synths are better, guitars are better, production is better, everything in regards to music is better in the future. It’s a fact. And you can’t say ohhh well people just aren’t the same now and therefore can’t be a better musician. No, that’s bullshit. Now to give you chaps a head start, I suppose I can list some modern bands and people that are inspiration, creative, and original: Dream Theater, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Opeth, Dillinger Escape Plan, anything by Nobuo Uematsu, Paco De Lucia, Murder By Death, Sondre Lerche, Elliott Smith (lots of Beatles influence there according to some people), and let’s not forget LUDACRIS, the Bach of modern day music. Speaking of Bach, maybe you folks should listen to some music even older. Yes, I’m talking about Vivaldi, Bach, Purcell, etc. And what about some other stuff around the 60s and 70s. Leo Kottke? Michael Hedges? I mean you can’t talk about being guitar virtuosos without giving them some credit. But whatever, if any of you have listened to me and are so cultured as to take your mind out of your 60-70 era loving ass and at least LISTEN to some of these mentioned people/bands (I gave a pretty wide variety), then I guess I didn’t waste my time. Otherwise, I think I wasted as much time as I’d like to. I’m just sick of everyone talking about gods of rock and then you mention some modern musician or even one in the same era and they say, “Huh? Whatever pal Zep is the bestest ever. ZEP 4 LYF”, I get moderately pissed. So don’t be a dumbass.
Neil Peart > John Bonham.
We are comparing apples with oranges here. The appreciation of music, like with any other art form, is an entirely subjective matter. You either like what you hear, or you don’t. The art either speaks to you or it doesn’t. There’s nothing wrong either way. Some people will prefer Pink Floyd to Led Zeppelin, and others will prefer Zeppelin to Floyd. It’s all in what speaks to the listener; how they perceive it. No one can argue that Led Zeppelin had their own style, as does Pink Floyd. How can they really be compared?
My career is in the major concert industry and I’ll you now that it is about who will sell the most albums and the most concert tickets.
So to objectively try to measure or compare the two, one can only look at the facts. Pink Floyd has sold 73 million albums in the US. Add Bob Dylan’s 35 million total albums and you have 108 million, which is how many Led Zeppelin has sold. That means Led Zeppelin has only been out-sold by two artists: The Beatles, and Elvis Presley. #3 on RIAA’s top US album sellers list, with Pink Floyd at #7, (and Bob Dylan at #42, in case you were wondering.)
So by popularity of the group reflected in album sales (where consumers put their money down) Led Zeppelin IS better, being the more popular of the two, than Pink Floyd. So what if apples are selling better than oranges? No need to get all worked up over it. If you want, go buy 35 million copies of Floyd’s albums, to even the score.
I think that anybody that doesn’t enjoy a Zeppelin song just knows that they are better then their favorite band they did more for rock then any other bad in the history of music they are the best of the best. How can a band that has the best guitarist in the world and that tought himself be bad. They just can’t suck with the second highest record sales of all time. Pink Floyd is just for stoners and crackheads with no lives. Their is just no better band and their never will be, I am Ian Pass i am 14 and i love Zeppelin to.
I agree wiht the person that they appeal to the poser crowd. I should know- I used to be one of those posers! I bought most Zep albums but….I didn’t realy like them that much, I was really looking for some rock credibility among my peers and brothers. And hey my brother even said to me one day when he decided maybe he’d outgrown them “if you think about it, not terribly good are they?” Oh you mean you didn’t give it any thought before? Blind worship, that’s a lot of what Zep is.
I love led zeppelin and think they are one of the best groups ever to hit the rocken roll seen.But they are a little over rated jimmy page is a great guitarer but not the worlds best you got to give that to jimi hendrix.pages is a great vocal list to. Boham and paul are some of the most underrated guys in the music seen for sure.And pink floyd is a great band david my be one of the bigest stoners ever to be in a band but he made some of the best guitar solos ever and waters is to me the best vocalest out there and he always will be to me.
Ok led zep is great but all those kids that wear shirts around of led zeppelin and most liekly just got them out of there dads closest or from wal mart can go to hell and take those shirts off.
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Led Zeppelin is the most influential hard rock band of all time and nobody can deny that. Comparing Zepp to Pink Floyd is like comparing apples to oranges,Led Zeppelin will remain rock Gods forever. You can hear their presence in just about every rock song you hear on the radio today. By saying they suck your just showing your musical ignorance!!
What do you mean, “even a band like Queen”? Queen had the best, most outrageous and awesome shows, they were all awesome instrumentalists and sang really phenomenally! Whoops, sorry, this is about Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. My apologies. But I was mad that someone dared to insult Queen. Anyway, back to the subject at hand: Pink Floyd was great. I really like Dogs and Brain Damage and other songs. I LOVE Led Zeppelin. Forget Stairway to Heaven (which I do love) what about Physical Graffiti? Night Flight, Bron-Yr-Aur, Houses of the Holy, Kashmir, Boogie with Stu? All great songs, and the twelve string on Over the Hills and Far Away, well, you can’t possibly call that one “throwaway”.
Then there were the songs you didn’t understand: The Battle of Evermore, Carouselambra. They were still wonderful. Don’t say Led Zeppelin made their songs too long, because Pink Floyd’s “Dogs” was seventeen minutes.
Then there were the songs that made you want to cry (unless you have a heart of stone): Tangerine, That’s the Way, Going to California.
They had songs that cheered you up: Bron-Y-Aur Stomp, Over the Hills and Far Away.
And when you got tired of all the hard rock songs, there was Down by the Seaside for easy listening.
Pink Floyd is a great band. Personally, I prefer Led Zeppelin. Each to her own, they say, but don’t insult Led Zeppelin, because they were a phenomenal band.
Actually Down by the Seaside isn’t easy listening, yes, I know that, but it is easy to listen to if for some weird reason you need a break from all the rockin’ songs.
And to the person who wrote “women women women is about all i hear in a led zeppelin song and to be honnest… i dont care about your baby and how she calls you another guys name when your having sex.”
That wasn’t exactly proving your point. You obviously have listened to Heartbreaker more than three times to hear that. If you want to talk about how you dislike a band, try to be vague on what you know. If you don’t like a band, how do you know a certain line from a song that isn’t Stairway to Heaven?
And Queen was the most original band of the seventies and eighties. Killer Queen is not a blues song; what the heck are you talking about?
i am a zep fan, and do spend up to an hour each day listening to zeppelin music, 3 hours listening to other bands: stones, david bowie, beatles, hendrix, etc. but i think you cant rate a band like zeppelin until you really know their music… read the lyrics, find out why the piece was written, where it was written, things like that. and for a person to say that zep is overrated? sure, stairway gets to be a bore the seven thousanth time, but you gotta listen to some of their songs that just weren’t as well known. ten years gone? great page work their, he recorded his guitar 14 times to get all of the sound in that song. dancing days? sure the song is a little weird for new zeppelin fans to listen to, but come on. great guitar work. paul-jones? check some songs like in the light. nice organs there. bonham? oh come on, moby dick a great one. of course the live version from how the west was one isn’t his best playing. i was a beatles fan from the age of 4-11 till i bought a clapton album with some of the late cream, then that led to a hendrix, and that led to zeppelin.
i think i know why so many people do hate zeppelin though. late 70s came bands like sex pistols, the clash (by the way, the clash pronounced that if they ever saw another zeppelin album, they would hurl) and they just got the fucking punk rock theme going. zeppelin died so fast. it became offensive to say you liked them. now come on! they were doing just fine till shitty music came along. though for all of the loyal zep fans, i salute you. you gotta give credit to each member.
now hear this, i love pink floyd also. syd barrett? he’s gotta be my number one idol with page in second. guy that started pink floyd? wonder why you never hear about him? he got the band started, then went insane. listen to floyds EARLY early albums, you’ll hear some of syd on guitar. for true floyd fans, i advise you get syds album “wouldn’t you miss me” it has some great floyd influences. but you gotta trully appreciate syd to like floyd. syd was before gilmore, ever wonder how gilmore got in? syd would go out on stage, and drench himself in marmalade, so when the lights shone down on him, it looked like he was melting. sometimes he would go out and not play a single note, or sometimes play a different song then the one that was being played at the moment. so they got gilmore and said “if syd doesn’t play, you play for him”… so trully, appreciate the underated people also, such as syd and john paul-jones. he’s got such an influence on the album “in through out the door.” came in before studio times and added in extra keyboard parts.
i dunno, i just think that its okay to like floyd and zep… just you should like zep a little bit more :-)
I have to agree with the awesome persone above who I dont know at all! Have you watched them play guitar in a concert? its so cool! well I have nothing els to say .. thank you and good night
Led Zeppelin is amazing.
Pink Floyd is amazing.
It just depends on your mood at the time.
They are both so much better than so many rock bands, it doesn’t even matter.
A true fan of rock music would love both of these bands.
They both played music that they liked to play and it really reflects on their albums.
They were both album oriented bands, and didn’t realease very many singles. That is what made them both so great is that they didn’t try to please the people, they just played music that they liked. Instead of arguing over Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, I think people should be more concerned about this incredibly horrible music that is coming out these days. If only there were more bands like Zeppelin and Floyd, In spirit, not in sound. Real musicians should know what I am talking about.
I agree that blind worship is a lot of what the Zeppelin crowd is about but that no way means the group itself bad. You can usually tell which ‘fans’ are genuine and which are simply poseurs by talking to them about why they like their music. In a sense, they are overrated and in a sense their less known songs are quite underrated. The songs that get extended radio play (Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, Black Dog) are praised to death when they aren’t even their best songs in my opinion. When I was about 14 years old I found a box of my Dad’s old tapes. I found a tape that had a picture of the Hindenburg in flames, and being curious, I played it. Over the next few months I began to listen to it over and over again and the music seemed to get better and better with each listening. Soon I began to ask myself, “Why aren’t some of these songs play on the radio?” Led Zeppelin’s covers of ‘You Shook Me’ and ‘I Can’t Quit You’ completely blew me away. Jimmy Page’s wailing guitar, John Paul Jones soulful organ work and pounding basslines, John Bonham’s hands of God drumming, and Robert Plant’s emotional vocals. I was astounded at the sheer talent, musicianship, and soul that poured out with each note. I looked at the credits and found out that these weren’t even their own songs yet they had somehow made it their own through their own special touch. I was hooked. Soon I began to discover other artists. Led Zeppelin was the sole reason why I got into Chicago Blues. After devouring their catalog I began to appreciate them even more. It was about this time that I began to read a few malicious postings about how Led Zeppelin stole their work. I began to think. I concluded that originality was only a portion of what a band great. A band can compose something out of this world yet it would still sound atrocious. Chords and lyrics can be stolen but there’s one things that not as easily replicated – the performance. Led Zeppelin were the kings of improvisation. This is quite evident on Led Zeppelin – BBC Sessions. They could play several versions of the same song, at roughly the same length, but they could each sound radically different. Many of the songs on the two discs were unedited in front of a live audience, and though you can tell the band was nervous no note was thrown away. One thing Led Zeppelin was known for is trying their best not to disappoint their audience. They didn’t want to be just a jukebox and thus alternate lyrics, arrangements, and added solos were thrown into the mix. Sometimes the live songs were superior to their studio counterparts (Thank You). The precious few footage of them performing in their early days shows just how hard they worked and how much talent they exerted. Many times you can see smiles upon their sweaty faces as they improvised song the audience knew by heart, excited when they entered new territory, unsure of how far they would take it but somehow they always pulled it off. It was evident that they were having fun, enjoying the music -something music should be about. It angers me when I see people criticizing an obviously talented hard working band, and it really angers me when people walk around claiming to be fans while they are oblivious to the actual music. If anyone would actually take the time and listen to their albums and watch their concert footage with all the soul being spit out onto the stage, you can easily conclude that Led Zeppelin they are much more than the pop culture icons they have become and that they are deserving of every good comment made.
Dave grohl on Led Zeppelin
(From RS 946, April 15, 2004)
Heavy metal would not exist without Led Zeppelin, and if it did, it would suck. Led Zeppelin were more than just a band — they were the perfect combination of the most intense elements: passion and mystery and expertise. It always seemed like Led Zeppelin were searching for something. They weren’t content being in one place, and they were always trying something new. They could do anything, and I believe they would have done everything if they hadn’t been cut short by John Bonham’s death. Zeppelin served as a great escape from a lot of things. There was a fantasy element to everything they did, and it was such a major part of what made them important. Who knows if we’d all be watching Lord of the Rings movies right now if it wasn’t for Zeppelin.
They were never critically acclaimed in their day, because they were too experimental and they were too fringe. In 1968 and ‘69, there was some freaky shit going on, but Zeppelin were the freakiest. I consider Jimmy Page freakier than Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix was a genius on fire, whereas Page was a genius possessed. Zeppelin concerts and albums were like exorcisms for them. People had their asses blown out by Hendrix and Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton, but Page took it to a whole new level, and he did it in such a beautifully human and imperfect way. He plays the guitar like an old bluesman on acid. When I listen to Zeppelin bootlegs, his solos can make me laugh or they can make me tear up. Any live version of “Since I Been Loving You” will bring you to tears and fill you with joy all at once. Page doesn’t just use his guitar as an instrument. For him, it’s like some sort of emotional translator.
John Bonham played the drums like someone who didn’t know what was going to happen next — like he was teetering on the edge of a cliff. No one has come close to that since, and I don’t think anybody ever will. I think he will forever be the greatest drummer of all time. You have no idea how much he influenced me. I spent years in my bedroom — literally fucking years — listening to Bonham’s drums and trying to emulate his swing or his behind-the-beat swagger or his speed or power. Not just memorizing what he did on those albums but getting myself into a place where I would have the same instinctual direction as he had. I have John Bonham tattoos all over my body — on my wrists, my arms, my shoulders. I gave myself one when I was fifteen. It’s the three circles that were his insignia on Zeppelin IV and on the front of his kick drum.
“Black Dog,” from Zeppelin IV, is what Led Zeppelin were all about in their most rocking moments, a perfect example of their true might. It didn’t have to be really distorted or really fast, it just had to be Zeppelin and it was really heavy. Then there’s Zeppelin’s sensitive side — something people overlook, because we think of them as rock beasts, but Zeppelin III was full of gentle beauty. That was the soundtrack to me dropping out of high school. I listened to it every single day in my VW bug, while I contemplated my direction in life. That album, for whatever reason, saved some light in me that I still have.
I heard them for the first time on AM radio in the Seventies, right around the time that “Stairway to Heaven” was so popular. I was six or seven years old, which is when I’d just started discovering music. But it wasn’t until I was a teenager that I discovered the first two Zeppelin records, which were handed down to me from the real stoners. We had a lot of those in the suburbs of Virginia, and a lot of muscle cars and keggers and Zeppelin and acid and weed. Somehow they all went hand in hand. To me, Zeppelin were spiritually inspirational. I was going to Catholic school and questioning God, but I believed in Led Zeppelin. I wasn’t really buying into this Christianity thing, but I had faith in Led Zeppelin as a spiritual entity. They showed me that human beings could channel this music somehow and that it was coming from somewhere. It wasn’t coming from a songbook. It wasn’t coming from a producer. It wasn’t coming from an instructor. It was coming from somewhere else.
I believe Zeppelin will come back and prove themselves to once again be the greatest rock band of all time. It will happen. They’ll find someone to play the drums and I’ll be right there, front row at every goddamn show. Then I could finally die a happy man.
WELL SAID DAVE!
Hmm,sounds like a whole bunch of teenies in here,,,
But the fact is that Zeppelin is a great influence on many many other bands,and another fact is that they are recieving the Polar price next year,Floyd isnt,,
Zep was the greatest “hard” rock band ever.
led zep is underrated over here in australia im the only one in my school who nows who led zeppelin are all the kids like hip hop and other stupid shit
Listen to the music you like. And don’t give any of this shit about what other people are doing. How everyone and their mom has a Led Zep Shirt. If you’re in it just to see what everyone else is doing, then you aren’t a music lover. You’re a follower. If you like Zep, then listen to them. If you don’t, then don’t. Although it is hard not to if someone is blasting it. I don’t enjoy a blast of music I dislike either. Anyways, Zep hits the spot for enough people, and that’s all that matters. If it annoys you that much, then you let other people control you. And that is why you are a follower (this post is getting kind of extreme, but it’s OK, I’m in Berkeley). And let’s not forget the original poster’s point. That Zep is OVERRATED. Not that they suck as big of balls as Jenna Jameson. And I’d also like to tip my hat to the aussie above for listening to what he likes.
Thanks to last poster who actually READ the post. “And let’s not forget the original poster’s point. That Zep is OVERRATED. Not that they suck as big of balls as Jenna Jameson.” I am amazed at how many people went off on rants unrelated to what I actually said. I still feel my point is valid. However as many people said, “listen to what you like.” I listen to some Zep, it’s just I find other groups more enjoyable.
To say Zeppelin has only “standout” songs is blasphemy.
Dazed & Confused, Communication Breakdown, You Shook Me, Ramble On, What Is And What Should Never Be, Since I’ve Been Loving You, Tangerine, Gallows Pole, Battle of Evermore, Black Dog, Misty Mountain Hop, The Ocean, D’yer Mak’er, No Quarter, Nobodys Fault But Mine, Achilles Last Stand, Fool In The Rain, In The Evening, In The Light, Trampled Underfoot..
That’s only a moiety of the Zep catalogue and in my opinion, anyone of those songs can and have topped acts from The Beatles to 50 Cent (in 2003, how the west was won knocked the rapper out of the #1 spot).
You are doing a disservice to Zep by using Stairway and Kashmir as a platform for a band who was a spontaneous combustion of individual talent on stage.
I think The Beatles deserve the award for overrated band. They definitely contributed to the music industry but I hold them responsible for the pop industry gaining ground. They had no stage presence unless John Lennon bobbing his fruit cupped hair cut head gives you thrills.
The Stones are classic but Keith Richards is nowhere near Jimmy Page’s talent.
As far as Elvis is concerned, I couldn’t careless for him.
Pink Floyd’s Dark side of the moon album is incredible. However, Led Zeppelin & Pink Floyd are two completely different bands on different levels. Both bands deserve respect for the amazing contributions they’ve made towards their genras of music.
Led Zeppelin, overrated? No .. unappreciated is more like it you troglodytes.
led zeppelin is the greatest band to walk the earth i maen its zeppelin
omg well led zeppelin is the greatest band in the world they rock more than pink floyd i mean i listen to pink floyd but led zeppelin just has so many more amazing songs then them, their songs are more creatative, ive read most of these and you guys saying led zeppelin is “overrated” you crazy because they rock. im only 14 but i know a lot of people who went to see led zeppelin in 77 and they said it was onw of the best events ever in their life i have a led zeppelin 77 shirt and i do not consider myself a poser because i have all led zeppelins cds and i listen to them more than any other band
if you also think led zeppelin isnt the greatest then look at that post by the erin person from VH1 because i think they know what they are talking about when they talk about music and rock, i dont liek that channel but if i do watch it when they have rock things on they are always right…
I remember reading a comment on the Rolling Stone magazine website that summed up how I feel about Led Zeppelin;
“I might actually like this band if everyone didn’t overrate them so much. Just to piss people off I say that Black Sabbath is better”
Ok you guys this site is totally wrong in many ways, for 1 this is the only site by the way, and if you look at how many pro led zepplin sites there are all the facts are wrong. Ok I admit that not all of there songs are great but there is no album that has absolutley 100% awesome songs on it. Hey i mean people are still buying tons of led zepplin cds and they are competing with new bands still!And if you can challenge one other band with led zepplin to be the god of rock you must have issues because they did alot of stuff that not many people did at that time. Even if LED ZEPPLIN isnt the holy rock ban i have to say as a drummer that john bonham was a hella tight kickin ass drummer and he is one of the best drummers of all time. Well thats all i have to say but other than that this is a good site for this topic
led zeppelin isnt overrated buddy. theure the greatest band ever. kashmir and stairway are both good songs, but there are more such as… dazed and confused,communication breakdown,how many more times,whole lotta love,heartbreaker,out on the tiles, black dog, rock n roll, the ocean,no quarter, houses of the holy, and ten years gone. i highly suggest that you listen to more songs before you judge them, and watch there live videos.
Led Zepplin sucks only because everyone talks WAY too much about them and make them WAY too overrated. and no one talks about any of their other songs other then Stair way to Heaven. which will make anyone sick of hearing about it
I don’t take the hype surrouding Led Zeppelin seriously anymore. If Jimmy Page had farted on tape in 1969 people would be talking about it today as arguably the greatest and most influential fart in rock history.
To the guy who said “Ok I admit that not all of there songs are great but there is no album that has absolutley 100% awesome songs on it,” check out Who’s Next. The whole album is solid from start to finish, 9 incredible smash hits. Now, as for Zeppelin itself, I don’t much care for them myself. Do I think they’re overrated? Definitely. Do I like them? No. Would I take them over today’s music? Almost certainly. This whole argument is pretty pointless, though, I must say, since it’s going in circles and nobody’s going to change anyone else’s mind. I personally agree with the original poster, I think they’re overrated.
so basically ur all tools. teh end.
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It seems to me that Led Zeppelin’s music is about the sounds itself, not the meaning behind it.
LZ rarely ever went into anything beyond their standard formula; ‘relationship fails > i get drunk and look for ass > occasionally I talk about myself > sometimes I lay out hate on women and act sexist > let me fake orgasms over and over to heighten the effect’
A band like (70’s)Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP, Focus, or Hawkwind was pressing more than just ’sex overtones’.
It was about social reform, political changes. The darkness of the outside world at the time. It had atmosphere, depth, meaning, purpose, and resolve. The styles ranged from spacey guitar musings to blues-inspired jams to folk-reminescent jingles.
LZ kept presenting the same ‘blunt’ sound over and over; they could be playing in any sound studio around the world and you’d never know what images are in their heads, if any.
Their music is about getting drunk and having sex. Maybe about hating women, but more or less about having sex or being an angry young man who can’t get any.
Look at an album like Animals; it has solid rock ballads with ethereal presence, and Gilmour’s ghostly tone, all presenting instance after instance of society’s sick perversions.
LZ never touched on anything remotely spiritual or ‘deep’. Know what the ‘Houses of the Holy’ really is? It’s a street in Louisiana that was notorious for whorehouses. And ‘No Quarter’ literally means just that — having no place to stay and no money to spend. That’s pretty damned shallow, I’m sorry to say.
Put down your republican rock and embrace the depth the other talents of the era had to offer.
ok my name is scott and the doors are the most under rated band there who first record is amazing i think it is one of the best records ever in my book it is up there with dark side of the moon let it be the jimi hendrix expirence but thats my say peace
oo yea and tell i want one person to tell me a great band of the 70’s that wasnt on drugs for all u ppl sayin that pink floyd was a druggy band obvously they went into incredibly bad drugs cause all them r still alive
Holy crap. I can’t believe someone here said that they didn’t want to listen to Led Zeppelin because they didn’t want to be in the “poser” group. I hope to god you don’t say this and then go listen to My Chemical Romance and The Used while wearing girl pants. Seriously, listening to Led Zeppelin does not make you a poser. It makes you someone who has a good taste in music. You can dislike Led Zeppelin’s music all you want, I listen to them because John Paul Jones was one of the best bassist, and musicians, of all time. Guitarists listen to Zeppelin for Page, Drummers for Bonzo, singers for Plant. Hell, some people just like the music, which I can’t blame them. You see, for some people Led Zeppelin is more about the talent then the music. You can say their songs suck all you want, but if you want to say they suck you need to take anouther listen to some of their songs.
ok i am not trying to piss anybody off…
buuuut…Led Zeppelin really ARE one of the greatest bands of all time. their talent is AMAZING and their songwriting is awesome too. i am a guitarist…guess who my hero is? Jimmy Page. If people think they suck then oh well. but if people that have only heard “stairway” think they suck, then screw them. they need to listen to the REAL Led Zeppelin and maybe theyll appreciate it more. Jimmy Page is the 2nd greatest guitarist of ALL TIME….right behind Eddie Van Halen. John Bonham is one of the best drummers. John Paul Jones was the best musician out of the whole band because he could not only play the bass but the keyboard, mandolin, and more. Robert Plant’s vocals will never be matched and are absolutely amazing. Without Led Zep hard rock and metal would not be the same today. Slash, lead guitarist from Guns N’ Roses, one of his BIGGEST influences was Jimmy Page. Even one of Kurt Cobain’s biggest influences were Led Zeppelin. Guns N’ Roses and Nirvana both turned out to be 2 of the greatest bands of hard rock and metal. What does that tell you?
I LOVE Pink Floyd to death. my favorite movie (besides waynes world) is The Wall. I am soooooo not making pink floyd any less than they should be. they are a great band. BUT i DONT think that Pink Floyd can be or should be compared to Led Zeppelin. They are 2 total different types of music. Pink Floyd was better at album selling or what not. But Led Zeppelin had wayyy more talent. These 2 bands rock my ass off but i dont like that they are being compared. they are unique and great. This is just my opinion, but take it into consideration.
~Izzy
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another point i forgot to bring up…
Since John Bonham died in 1980, Led Zeppelin will never be able to show their full potential.
Just like Nirvana. Since Kurt Cobain killed himself in 1994, you will never be able to see what Nirvana could have really done.
Led Zep gave it their all, but if Bonzo didnt die, we will never be able to see what they could have really done.
~Izzy
I agree with the people who said that you cant compare these two bands. Both of them are great at playing the music they play. Each made great albums (Houses of the Holy and Wish You Were Here being my favorites). Im 17 and I like both bands about the same and I am also disgusted when I see a Zep shirt or even a Floyd shirt being worn by people who know nothing about either band.
I’m not quite sure where I stand on this. I currently own 11 Pink Floyd albums, and I have heard the 4-CD box set of Zeppelin a few times.
I think Zeppelin is pretty good, they clearly are talented, Robert Plant is a great singer, but to me it seems they’re much more about the music and a lot of it sounds the same.
Pink Floyd on the other hand.. Everything sounds pretty distinct. I’ve never heard another band like them. And despite what some you believe, DSotM is the greatest album ever.. And some of their songs are damn long, but jeez.. those long songs are some of my favorites, Dogs, Echoes, and Shine on You Crazy Diamond are my top three favorite Floyd songs. Other bands have albums that are just a collection of songs.. Floyd’s songs have a unifying theme, the albums had distinct concepts. Before I really discovered Pink Floyd, I NEVER paid attention to lyrics.. I listened to music that sounded good, but the incredible lyrics of Roger Waters have spoken to me. I have never liked any artist as much as I like Pink Floyd.
As for the music.. What Pink Floyd really does is take simple things and dress them up. And they do a DAMN good job of that. Most of their songs (except the ones by Richard Wright) do not really have difficult chord structures. And David Gilmour’s bendy solo style may not be blazing fast or anything, but I’ll take his playing over anything out there.. I love his solo stuff and can’t wait for his third solo album to come out (and the Pink Floyd: Pulse DVD).
What really does suck though is the fact that so many people wear zeppelin shirts but know nothing about them. It seems to me that Zeppelin gets the label of being rock gods while Pink Floyd gets the label of being a stoner band (which they aren’t). So i’m not saying all Zeppelin fans fall into the category of not really knowing anything about them, but their reputation has attracted some of those people.
And the person who badmouthed the Beatles and John Lennon.. Shame on you. Look at the way things were before the Beatles.. They changed everything so much it shouldn’t even be arguable (btw George is the most underrated Beatle).
jesus christmas guys this argument has been going on for almost a YEAR i mean what the hall are u guys so pissed off about ur ALL acting like total losers “except the ones that say this is pointless” for the last time YOU CANT COMPARE FLOYD AND ZEP!! their both awsome and their both completly diffrent styles. and for crying out loud if you cant friggen spell THEN DONT POST. if your trying to make a point you dont go out and sound like a complete IDIOT.*pant pant* sorry just trying to make a point ……….atcually why am i on here. anyway the origonal poster is right zep is a little overrated but there still pretty good.”so is floyd.”
“but there not overrated.”
agree…led zeppelin is overrated (so is pink floyd- oy, talk about filler! endless sound effects, diddling with keyboards… yawnsville!)
you kids should listen to the stuff led zeppelin ripped off- especially buddy guy, who invented the banshee-rocker vocal style that all those prancing hairy whiteboys used. not to mention the chess blues guys whose songs zep covered without giving credit- like sonny boy williamson and willie dixon. best music ever…
but that being said, the zepsters aren’t so awful when you hear em on the radio now and then. kinda campy and fun. I think robert plant was the weak link, even though the girls love ‘im- he really grates on you after a couple of tracks, no real soul or genuineness. they shoulda gotten rod stewart or joe cocker to front.
ok wellllll…it started with simple bickering between floyd fans and zepp fans…now the floyd has fizzled out and its about zeppelin ripping off buddy guy and what not…sure they make have taken (some, not a lot) songs on their early albums, but then again does that not progess them to be a better band? if it werent for the covers, they wouldnt be the band they were/are. credit or not they made it look easy and sound amazing. tell me that not giving Dylan credit for “In My time of Dyin’” has hurt anyone? Dylan doesnt seem to upset about it, and fuck that is a great song. You cant just criticize zep for covering songs, every band does it. Zep all the way! (btw, the best solo in rock history was done in one take, in “Since I’ve Been Loving You”)
not a chance…any band that can do such a wide range of songs from whole lotta love to that’s the way to d’yer ma’ker and hit that range on every albumn is phenomenal. listen to led zeppelin III. i mean no one else could pull that off. and how are they not “the gods of rock?” who else paved the way for what rock is today (which is pretty bad, so that could be the only reason why led zeppelin could be talked about like this in any way).
ok dude, you need to give led zepp songs a chance. I felt the same way as you, that ok yea one or two good songs, but when you listen to them more and more you get their feel and there is more behind the song than you think. I use to hate the album houses of the holy, but now i could tell you that even Rain Song gets to be good. Another thing about led zeppelin, is that their live songs keep the same feel as the studio recorded songs. A gret album that i have by them is BBC Sessions, a live recording in london. I dont object completly to your statement, but i know that i use to feel the same way as you, but the ore you listen to them, the more you like.
This is in reply to Dylan who commented just above this. Wow. And intelligent reply that isn’t hiding anonymously. When I have some time I’ll actually go listen that album and report back. Congratulations on having a brain and using it — unlike many of the other posters here. And triple heapings of kudos for not being “anonymous”
I am 16yrs old and have olny listened to Zeppelin for 3 years
and i absolutly LOVE them.
The first song of theirs that got me into them was Over the hills and far away.
I think that yes they are over rated
but not by alot..
i mean look at the tallent they have. when four people who are masters at what they do come together you cant expect much else.
They ARE infact the best (talent wise) rock band ever
Everyone has an opinion, it’s hard to argue personal taste. If yout think Led Zep’s overrated, fine, I think this page is overrated.
Let’s see, who’s better, Johnny Depp or Tim Burton? Beethoven or Danny Elfman? Holy Roman Emperor Constantine or Constantine Maroulis? Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd? Grow up, people! You think to compare these guys? They were both phenomenal in their own way. I wouldn’t want Plant and Waters to switch places. Can you imagine how weird it would sound?
Another Brick in the Wall is not comparable to Stairway to Heaven. Dogs is not comparable to Kashmir. Brain Damage is not comparable to Over the Hills and Far Away. Try to compare Ode to Joy and Purple Haze. Okay, I’m getting tired of writing but I hope you get my message. (sigh) If anyone bothers reading down to the bottom of this page. Anyway, they are different bands, each unique!
It’s been said that if you hear something over and over again you start to believe it, wether it’s true or not has been proved by the misguided belief that Led Zeppelin the greatest band ever. ‘Scuse me while I puke. Jimmy Paige was an excellent guitar player. He did some very ground breaking things, but to claim that he was the best ever ? There is no way to prove that. There are better and there will always be better. Robert Plant a singer ? HELL NO. He couldn’t make a pimple on a lousey singers ass. Repeating “baby, baby, baby .. uh uh yeah”, using excerpts from fantasy novels and whining like some kind of wounded bitch boy makes doesn’t make you a singer. Led Zeppelin greatest ever ? Keep saying it over and over … yeah enough people will start to believe it. George Bush is a great president … George Bush is a great president … (might take a while but eventually someone might start to believe it)
Rock is the only kind of music I like,I am in a rock band. I listen to Rock almost all the time. And because of that, People assume I like Led Zeppelin and it pisses me off; I cant stand Led Zeppelin thanks to the “greatest rock voice ever”. I would have to call it one of the worst, most annoying voices ever. I don’t get why people like Plants voice, or any similar voice like guns n’ roses’s. Not to say that Led Zeppelin didn’t have talented musicians that could play well (jimmy page as an example)but The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Grateful Dead, and so many others I don’t feel like listing just blow them away. Compare Lennon’s voice or Roger Waters/David Gilmour’s voice’s to Plant’s and you have your answer. Zeppelin does in fact pale next to the bands it is said to be better than or equal to.
Glad to see someone else who thinks Zep is grossly overrated. I mean, they are great, and I do love their albums and respect them, but they’re just overrated. I don’t think it’s their fault at all, I think it’s the fans’ fault for overrating their abilities so much.
As for Floyd, I honestly can’t believe that besides DSOtM, The Wall, and maybe WYWH (none of which are their best album) they don’t get the musical credibility that Zep does. They managed to put out about 6 more studio albums than Zep, which means, you guessed it, more good material.
And I can’t believe how overrated Physical Graffiti is either. That album is LOADED with filler. Thankfully there’s anough good material to save it from being crap.
And since when is Page the ‘best guitarist ever’??? He’s not even in the top 10. Hendrix is better, Zappa is better, Fripp is better, (Jeff) Beck is better. Hell, even Clapton is better.
There’s my bit.
Led Zeppelin sucks. Everyone that listens to them already has a predisposition to think they are the “best rock band ever” so of course they will agree. Nirvana is better, and would have been even better if Cobain had not died. He went out without even reaching the height of his career. Just think of what could have been.
Ur fuckin crazy and i dont think ur really listening closely to their stuff, the only album that has throwaway songs on it is coda but hey, everyone has their own opinion
yes, nirvana better than Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin the band with the 2 top session players of england, one of the greatest rock drummers everywhere, and the most amazing singer, ever. some people, who clearly have no musical talent at all, may think nirvana is better, curt cobain was a terrible guitarist and an even worse singer. nirvana had a few good songs I’ll give them that, but kurt cobain wouldnt have gone much further. Led zeppelin in my opinion is the greatest rock band ever, its debateable and up to opinion, but there is no doubt what so ever that led zeppelin is better than nirvina. other good bands include the yardbirds, cream, rolling stones, acdc, airbourne, stray cats, and the living end.
Floyd’s ‘Dark Side’ marks 1,500 weeks on US chart
From World Entertainment News Network
May 06, 2006 9:15 AM EDT
PINK FLOYD’s landmark DARK SIDE OF THE MOON album scored another major record in America last week by becoming the first recording to spend 1,500 weeks on the Billboard charts.
The 1973 album was the highest debut on the Top 200 when it entered the chart at number 98. The album stayed on the chart for 736 successive weeks before it fell out of the Top 200 in 1988.
Dark Side of The Moon has since notched up a further 759 non-consecutive weeks on the chart. The album has now sold an estimated 40 million copies worldwide.
Pink Floyd star ROGER WATERS always knew the group had recorded something special, but he had no idea the album would have such staying power.
He tells Billboard.com, “When the record was finished, I took a reel-to-reel copy home with me, and I remember playing it for my wife and her bursting into tears when it was finished.
“I thought, ‘This has obviously struck a chord.’ I was kinda pleased by that. I thought to myself, ‘Wow, this is a pretty complete piece of work,’ and I had every confidence that people would respond to it.”
Ive seen Deep Purple,Black Sabbath ACDC,Jethro Tull,The Stones,U2,ZZ Top,I haven’t seen Pink Floyd,but a lot of other bands.I saw Led Zeppelin in Australia 1972,they are still the best rock act i ever saw,they simply blew all others away.
Okay, all you people who keep saying Robert Plant is a terrible singer, listen up! You know who Robert Zimmerman is? He had a voice that was never very good, and forty years of smoking later, it’s even worse. I’m talking about Bob Dylan. He doesn’t have a very good voice, but he hits the notes. He hits the notes, and is a phenomenal songwriter. I’m not saying Robert Plant has a bad voice, because he doesn’t and never did. Maybe he’s no Freddie Mercury or Danny Elfman, but then again, who is? Besides, he took initiative. He and three others formed a band. That’s an accomplishment by itself, but then the four of them started writing songs. Good songs. Fantastic songs. Revolutionary songs. They sang their songs and recorded them. So did Pink Floyd. Listen to Pink Floyd. Don’t tell me that Robert Plant isn’t as good as Waters or Gilmour.
Oh, by the way, the genius who wrote “(not that i dont mind women or makin love, its just not something people in the real world can relate to.)”
Brilliant. Not something people in the real world can relate to? Don’t be stupid. Making love is not reserved for rock stars and fictional characters. It’s something many people do.
Whoever complained about Robert Plant using Lord of the Rings excerpts in his songs is clearly a loser and an idiot. Led Zeppelin were fans of LOTR before Peter Jackson. They used LOTR artistically, and wouldn’t it be so sad if they had never written Battle of Evermore. We’d be missing a beautiful and amazing and eerie and awesome song, and not even know it! Ramble on rocks too. Led Zeppelin forever!
i love zeppelin, they inspired me to expand my music and inspired me to play guitar. I believe they are rock gods not only because they made amazing music but because they inspired so many people. if you were to ask a band now-a-days who was your influece, i bet you nine out of ten would say zeppelin. im glad that people on this site appretiate zeppelin like jesse graham, im with you. And just one last thing about a comment that you made jesse, its HOW the west was won and its a CD not a DVD. anyways i think that they are the best and if you think otherwise then your missing out.
Oh please, Zep totally sucked the dick with their shitty ‘mysticism’. Also, Jimmy Page was at times, a VERY sloppy guitarist. And believe me, I love sloppiness and imperfection in my music (The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, NY Dolls, etc.) but when Zep does is sloppy, it doesn’t come across as ‘fun’ sloppiness like the bands I mentioned, it comes across as ‘greasy and disgusting’ sloppiness.
Led Zeppelin I was the best album Zep recorded because Page wasn’t a satanic, Alister Crowley-obsessed junkie yet and Plant wasn’t arrogant or pretensious yet.
Oh please, Zep totally sucked the dick with their shitty ‘mysticism’. Also, Jimmy Page was at times, a VERY sloppy guitarist. And believe me, I love sloppiness and imperfection in my music (The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, NY Dolls, etc.) but when Zep does is sloppy, it doesn’t come across as ‘fun’ sloppiness like the bands I mentioned, it comes across as ‘greasy and disgusting’ sloppiness.
Led Zeppelin I was the best album Zep recorded because Page wasn’t a satanic, Alister Crowley-obsessed junkie yet and Plant wasn’t arrogant or pretensious yet.
I think that the reason Led Zeppelin is so popular is because of their image. They were actually an extrememly unprolific and unoriginal band. Throughout the years that they were touring, their repertoire changed little. And the songs that they did play were almost always rip-offs of songs other people had written. Even Stairway to Heaven is a rip off of Sprit song called “Taurus”. Black Mountain Side which was Page’s showpiece was a rip-off of a Bert Jansch song. If a band rips off other people’s music, then are they really in it for the music? Considering the lifestyle they llived I would have to say that the need for fame was part of it as well. I used to love Led Zeppelin, but after having been in music school for a year now I would have to disagree. Jimmy Page’s guitar playing is anything but versatile, it is very limited. Most of Zep’s songs (which there aren’t very many) are in the keys of A and E. The songs are very easy to play with little musical sophistication. Power chords and pentatonic scales. If you want to hear a versitile rock player, listen to Frank Zappa who actually knew how to compose, or listen to the Grateful Dead whose improvisational skills far outdid anything Zeppelin could have done. Listen to Jerry Garcia who actually addresses chord changes when he solos. I find page’s playing to be very tasteless as well. There is no subtlety, no knowledge of anything other then finger patterns. I doubt he even knew what notes he was playing when he played. If he cared about music he would have spent more time educating himself and less time doing drugs, treating women like toys, and getting his picture taken. Image mattered more than anything else.
Don’t you find it strange that even though Zep hasn’t been around for many years, Page still has a very high profile, is still a “celebrity” even though he has not released any new music? He relies upon what was done in the past. Real musicians remain active artistically up until they pass away. Look at Roy Haynes who is 80 years old and still tours regularly, look at Jim Hall who is in his 70’s and still writes new tunes. Page is stagnant. (the argument could be made that he always was since he seldom wrote any of his own songs)
Another reason they are so popular is because they are so commercial. Their songs are always being played on commercial radio, their songs are on commercials. They appeal to the masses. They are overly-accessible. When compared to other equally commerical “artists” then yes, Zeppelin sounds amazing. But the masses do not listen to anything non-commercial, hence they do not have anything to compare Zeppelin to that isn’t complete trash.
There were actually a lot of artists ripping off old blues artists back then, but Jimmy Page was so blatantly obvious with it that he and Plant could have taken the writing credits for ‘Happy Birthday’ if it suited their needs.
Please! You people who are repeatedly smothering and fogging up the talent of the limitless, immortal, unforgettable, inconquerable, UNPARALLELED Led Zeppelin, listen to Stairway to Heaven. Please. Listen to it with the best f’ing headphones you have all alone, without getting up once, and freaking concentrate and lend your ears to the unquestionable gods of rock. After Plant’s eternal, drenched with magnificence and glittering flawlessness “…and she’s buyin’ the stairway to heaven…” at the very end of the best song ever, then tell me they suck. they tell me all plant does is moan and endlessly wail like so whale on crack “baby…baby…” and, what was it someone said, “fake orgasms?” er…okay…you must be a sick individual, but anyway…I want you then to tell me that with a straight face, with every flaming ounces of honesty and truthfullness in you. Trust me, you won’t be able to do it. And yes, the Beatles “paved the way”…excellently, spectacularly…it goes on. But Zep took it to the next level. Please, whoever dared to write Page wasn’t the best of the best of the f’ing best, who and what are you? I don’t fancy shooting insults at you all, because personal opinions must never be lost…but stop shaming Zeppelin. If you are one of the “Plant sings like crap” worshippers, just try to sing like he does. Ha. I’d LOVE to hear YOU sing the “Immigrant Song” falsetto. Gosh, that would be something. And, please, I beg of you, try to mimick Robert’s “to be a rock and not to roll…” See if you can’t. Just a little prediction, you won’t. Call it a moan. Call it a wail. But hell, the master Plant’s “moan” and “wail” is far better than you or any other being could ever endeavor to manage. John Paul Jones is sheer brilliance…beyond the reach of us all. Bonzo. Common. Comparing any drummer to him is a pathetic, fruitless act that will only leave you drowning in regret, remorse, shame and pity from the others around you. “Over the Hills and Far away”…listen to it. It’s magical. It captures your soul and connects. that’s what zep does. that’s why they’re numero dos when it comes to sales. wanna know why beatles are first? someone said something completely brilliant…”mindless worship.” That’s why. Plant haters, i call upon you again, i assume when you say he hates women, or whatever it was, you’re talking about “dazed”? Hmmm. Listen to the song a bit closer, buddy. you’ll see the light that your mindless contradictions cloud so idiotically. Zep reigns on. wanna oppose? go on and do it. but inside, you know you’re wrong and it’s all a lie and an illusion. See these movies, Zep haters: School of Rock, Almost Famous. see what they say about zeppelin. there’s some fine, divine musical appreciation in the hearts of zeppelin lovers, and along with that appreciation, whole souls…and love. Lovers of Zeppelin will always win, because good wins. Always. Hating Zeppelin is hate. Man, there’s enough of it out there. I love “The Ocean” and “Gallows Pole” because Plant just emits his all. it’s so magnetic. i can’t get enough of it. no one who knows what is right can. Thank you so much for reading this. Give the gods of rock…the gods of music…a chance. Stop the mindless worship and let the led out man. it’s good stuff. “Yes there are two paths you can go by…but in the long run, there’s still time to change the road you’re on…” Plant’s lyrics touch your emotions. This “women” nonsense is irking and obnoxious and stupid. Stop it. Stop it now. You could never write like Robert did. Just don’t even try to put them under anyone. you’ll only be laughed at and tortured…not only by others, but by yourself. If you like Led Zeppelin, consider yourself blessed. You’re one step farther than anyone else on “the stairway to heaven.” :) Give all bands credit. They try, okay? Stop putting them down and bring them up. Only that can help.
May the Zep be with you.
Led Zeppelin is NOT the Gods of Rock, actually no band or person is. All forms of music were created over time. Led Zeppelin isn’t “Gods” of Rock because Jimmy Page has stolen most of his riffs & chord progressions from blues & people he toured with. For instance the song every one is so giddy about “Stairway to Heaven”, The opening chord progression in “Stairway to Heaven” is similar to that of the 1968 instrumental “Taurus” by the group Spirit. Zeppelin opened for Spirit on a 1968 tour. While nobody in the group has ever cited influence from the track, the band was known to cover the Spirit song “Fresh Garbage” during their early days. It is also quite similar to a very slowed-down version of the opening to the Irish traditional song “The Irish Rover”. On “Moby Dick” the riff is extremely similar to a Yardbirds song, “I’m Not Talking”. They screwed up the Robert Johnson son “Traveling Riverside Blues” up. & in “The Lemon Song” the lyrics are ripped of off Howlin’ Wolf & Robert Johnson. Of course “Whole Lotta Love”, the lyrics were stolen from Bluesman, Willie Dixon. That’s not even scratching the surface. I think that it’s fine to be inspiered by others, just don’t rip on them on every single song.
Hey, howcome no one has brought up Jimmy’s pioneering techniques in the music-producing arena (i.e. his “ambient mic-ing”)? I think that’s pretty relevant in comparison to Floyd’s “experimenting with synthesizers” (just to be clear, a 4 year old could “experiment” with a synthesizer. . .maybe it would have been better for them to have *mastered* the syntesizer before they recorded the album?)
Also, anyone who trashes Zeppelin for their lyrics without paying any attention to the rest of the music is really missing the point of Zeppelin and possibly the entire Rock genre. It’s about the sound, the chemistry of tones, the *notes being played and sung*, not just some words Plant threw together at the last minute because he was a moron. Say what you want about the lyrics (it’s probably all true), but they have nothing to do with the calibre of Zep’s music, because they were about the groove of music, not the philosophy of life.
Just to let you know… Jimmy Page re-formed the Yardbirds after it had faded. He was going to call the band “The New Yardbirds” until Keith Moon from The Who had suggested that the band would go down like a Lead Zeppelin. Thus, Led Zeppelin is formed.
One thing that is absurd about this entire post is the constant contrast between Floyd and Zeppelin, when if you think about it the two bands are VERY MUCH alike in terms of the mood each band sets. Nearly every song by Pink Floyd is frightening and yet calming at the same time, creating quite an unnerving mood for the listener.
On the other hand, Led Zeppelin is so great at manipulating their instruments to produce sound that is eerie but seductive at the same time.
The main reason I like Led Zeppelin so much is because of the devotion and the attitude of every band member. Jimmy Page being at that top of the list came a long way and is still devoted to music today, he produced basically every CD version of Led Zeppelin’s albums. Led Zeppelin was never concerned about their cashflow or their profit, proof is this is the fact that they never lease any of their music out to organizations like iTunes. Another proof is that the remaining members of the band decided to let Led Zeppelin die with the death of their drummer John Bonham.
My final statement is this: Led Zeppelin will always be considered one of the greatest bands in the world. It will continue to influence aspiring musicians in the future. Led Zeppelin may not appeal to some, but their music should not be disrespected simply because you don’t like their style.
In a semi-related note, legendary original Pink Floyd member Syd Barrett died today it was announced.
How could they play so messed up on drugs and booze? You got to admit that the intro to in the evening is something special.Man,They blew the world away when that came out!
It’s sad to see that there’s people that can’t groove to LZ. From personal experience I had to relisten to several of the albums before I fell in love with them. They aren’t a typical band that trys to appeal to a broad adiuence with catchy hooks at the emotional peaks of their songs. You have to give them a chance and that is more than just one or two listens to their albums. Oh, also, if you’re interested, headphones help.
At this point, no body’s really opposing the Led side of this arguement, so there’s no need for further LZ support, at least not until a new message hating on Led is posted. Then counter arguements may be resumed, at least in my opinion.
And btw, Ill be one of those supporting LZ.
led zeppelin steal songs
“Babe I’m Gonna Leave You” – A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as “traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page,” then “words and music by Jimmy Page,” and then, following legal action, “Bredon/Page/Plant.”
“Black Mountain Side” – uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
“Bring It On Home” – the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
“Communication Breakdown” – apparently derived from Eddie Cochran’s “Nervous Breakdown.”
“Custard Pie” – uncredited cover of Bukka White’s “Shake ‘Em On Down,” with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes’s “Drop Down Daddy.”
“Dazed And Confused” – uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
“Hats Off To (Roy) Harper” – uncredited version of Bukka White’s “Shake ‘Em On Down.”
“How Many More Times” – Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin’ Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King’s “The Hunter.”
“In My Time Of Dying” – uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan’s debut).
“The Lemon Song” – uncredited cover of Howlin’ Wolf’s “Killing Floor” – Wolf’s publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
“Moby Dick” – written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title “The Girl I Love,” and later covered by Bobby Parker.
“Nobody’s Fault But Mine” – uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
“Since I’ve Been Lovin’ You” – lyrics are the same as Moby Grape’s “Never,” though the music isn’t similar.
“Stairway To Heaven” – the main guitar line is apparently from “Taurus” by Spirit.
“White Summer” – uncredited cover of Davey Graham’s “She Moved Through The Fair.”
“Whole Lotta Love” – lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues “You Need Love.”
this is why i have no respect for them
i believe they are highly overrated simply because their actual influence on rock has been exaggerated, measurable by the identification of lz in other artists
also this overrated state comes from artist and people who just believe it is cool or nessesary to cite lz as a an influence.
the only leg lz rep has to stand on is stairway
wtf is wrong with you people how do you say “led Zeppelin isint overated” then immediatly afterward say “lZ are unlimitless gods of rock…greatest music of all time…blah ect” its all subjective and based on opinon, but you contradict yourselves ignoring the fact led zeppelin steals songs, plant annoys many people, page’s style influenced few, amoung other things
I can’t even grasp the idea that you think they are overrated … Dark Side of the Moon can’t even compare to Zep’s Led Zeppelin I, Untitled, or Physical Graffitti albums, let alone their entire collection.
I am from Austin, Texas also, don’t let that other guy give you a bad impression of people in the city.
Bottom line, Zep is by far the best for the following reasons
1 their influence is unparralleled, it reaches to all genres of music, not just rock
2 each member is extremely awesome at their intrument. John Bonham is the greatest drummer of all time
3 their versatility to play so many different styles
4 if you think they only have a few good songs, then you must know nothing of music. Anyone who thinks this probably only listens to Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, and Black Dog.
John Bonham is the best drummer of all time? Yeah fucking right. Don’t make me laugh. Ever heard of Buddy Rich? How about Vinnie Colaiuta, the guy from Can, Terry Bozzio, or hell, Bill fucking Bruford? They all beat the shit out of Bonzo when it comes to drumming. Bonzo was damn sloppy, I swear Zep III is such a painful listen for me because Bonham misses so many of his fills.
Zep sucked cock at playing anything that didn’t rock; all of their folk-rock stuff blows and their ballads are very hit-and-miss. And no, before you accuse me of ‘only listening to the hits’, I may add that you are a fucking moron because I have listened to all of their albums and all of them are darn inconsistent. Pink Floyd is better than Led Zeppelin. Christ Zeppelin is overrated.
“Babe I’m Gonna Leave You” – A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as “traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page,” then “words and music by Jimmy Page,” and then, following legal action, “Bredon/Page/Plant.”
“Black Mountain Side” – uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
“Bring It On Home” – the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
“Communication Breakdown” – apparently derived from Eddie Cochran’s “Nervous Breakdown.”
“Custard Pie” – uncredited cover of Bukka White’s “Shake ‘Em On Down,” with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes’s “Drop Down Daddy.”
“Dazed And Confused” – uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
“Hats Off To (Roy) Harper” – uncredited version of Bukka White’s “Shake ‘Em On Down.”
“How Many More Times” – Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin’ Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King’s “The Hunter.”
“In My Time Of Dying” – uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan’s debut).
“The Lemon Song” – uncredited cover of Howlin’ Wolf’s “Killing Floor” – Wolf’s publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
“Moby Dick” – written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title “The Girl I Love,” and later covered by Bobby Parker.
“Nobody’s Fault But Mine” – uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
“Since I’ve Been Lovin’ You” – lyrics are the same as Moby Grape’s “Never,” though the music isn’t similar.
“Stairway To Heaven” – the main guitar line is apparently from “Taurus” by Spirit.
“White Summer” – uncredited cover of Davey Graham’s “She Moved Through The Fair.”
“Whole Lotta Love” – lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues “You Need Love.”
Overrated? Hell yes! But so are the Beatles and Pink Floyd and these three are among my favourite bands!
Don’t take me wrong I LOVE LED ZEPPELIN but let’s face it they are overrated. If you suddenly want everyone to think you have a good tate in music start saying: I like LZ, Pink Floyd and the Beatles. Because it’s the standard answer as Hendrix is the best guitarist.
LZ not only failed miserably when did something that wasn’t hard rock (D’yer Mak’er is fucking hilarious because it sucks so bad) but also stole songs. Now I’m a HUGE Kinks fan and they repeated themselves a LOT of times but never stole.
They have a fair amount of fillers for a fair amount of so-so albums.
Led Zeppelin were highly influential but they are NOT the best rock band.
Going back to the original post (you guys remember that, right?), I just have to say that I agree that Led Zeppelin is highly overrated.
That doesn’t mean I don’t like them a lot. Moving away from the more “popular” songs, I find that their best work is the stuff you don’t hear on the radio. “In the Light” just rocks, “Ramble On” always makes me turn up the volume, and “I’m Gonna Crawl” is probably one of my favorite “ending” songs to any album I own.
But, truth to be told, I’d probably rather hear something more diverse, like Queen’s “A Night at the Opera” than an entire Zeppelin album. With maybe the exception of “In Through the Out Door,” I can almost never get through an entire Zeppelin album without being bored.
But, I know some of you can. And if you love them, more power to you. There’s plenty of room for Zeppelin fans in my world…because I may not be a die-hard fanatic, but I respect them.
Now I havent read ALL of these comments yet (maybe someone said this?) as there are a lot, but how about this. Why cant both Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd be great bands. I think they were both equally creative, but Zep just gets me going. I swear every time I hear “Fool in the Rain”, I just HAVE to sing!
Age 19, Ohio
Name a band that ISN’T over-rated!
I read what you said, then read the first comment then scrolled down to a random comment that stated ” you guys don’t really listen to zeppelin or the live stuff” and It appears to me that you really don’t understand zeppelin at all, too bad cause you are missing out on some very important stuff. And to the person who said that they can’t relate women and having sex with women in their ‘REAL WORLD’ well You arguement stops there for me. I’m laughing at you because that just sounds SO bad! But to the blogger, you have to know that Zeppelin talks a lot about life stuff , but they use a language of their own, they don’t always come out and say it in strait language like Floyd. Do you know that both bands had the same veiws on the same subjects, they did many shows together and they both had songs on the same topics!! In the end, you(blogger) and the first comment guy, really don’t understand Zeppelin so just sell your Zep albums and go in your basement and rock out to your pink floyd . But know that the entire planet thinks your wrong.
Mike, USA
Well , I guess i missed saying a couple of things, first of I understand that Eric Seiden never said that Lep sucks, it was just to get all of out attention, the arguement is they are over rated and I can’t really say anything for either side, cuz who rates them anyway, some people, who rate…music. so we have the numbers, so what. We have people saying that Pink floyd is being listened to by ‘crack heads’??? come think about that!! do you think someone who smokes CRACK is trippin out to “….mother do think they’ll drop the bomb…”" I mean if a crack head HAD a Floyd album, he’d sell it for more crack!!! and pot heads!! well let me say that when it comes to pot smokin.. i think BOTH Floyd and ZEP have them(the fans and the band members) listen to Robert plant in most if not all LIVE versions of ‘Over The Hills’ and he says “..I live for my dream, and a pocket full of gold.. Acapulco Gold.”
and in Misty Mountain Hop
“hey boy do you wanna Score!” probably means even harder shit, so the people who are slammin Floyd fans need to take a look at the drug insprired lyrics of Zep. I love Zep, in fact when Submit this comment, I’m gonna smoke some Acapulco Gold of my own!! and then listen to Achillies Last Stand LIVE!!! another point I wanted to bring up is , this post is what like almost 2 years old, 2 years of Zep fans comin and goin’, gotta mean SOMETHING. anyway, There are some really good things said and I learned a lot about zep that I didn’t even know! so thanks everyone! by the way I am Getting a collection together of the best and rarest bootlegs and live cuts, of Zeppelin so post some sources, if Eric Seiden doesn’t mind!!
Mike, USA
my god you guys are idiots.ZEPPELIN is the best get over it.Any one who thinks they are overrated is obviously not a true classic rock fan.Jimmy page is the best guitarist the world will ever see.Any true fan would agree.any disagrements please email me at spitfire11929342@earthlink.net
Well whoever thinks Zeppelin is overrated is entitled to their opinion, but i think that 99% of people who listen to alot of music know that Zeppelin is one of the best, ud have to b an idiot not to. It’s doubtful that anyone knew Stairway would become
the most popular rock song of all time. After all, it’s eight minutes long
and was never released as a single. Even “Hey Jude” was shorter, was a 45,
and enjoyed the benefits of comprehensible words and a sing-along chorus. But
“Hey Jude” isn’t the most requested song of all time on FM rock stations. Zeppelin never went commercial and never released alot of singles but became unbelievably popular from their sheer musical talent and song writing abilities, i mean most bands strive to make 3 and a half min long songs that have repeated choruses so that they will become hits, Zeppelin was so much better then those bands that they didnt have to do that and managed to create unbelievable uncompromised music that was never changed just to get airplay, people who dont like zeppelin just dont understand them enough, its ok tho if u listen to alot of music ull start to understand them more and more and someday when u r experienced enough u will love them, but people who dont like them just cant understand them
To the last two people: Please shut the fuck up. I’ll listen to whatever the fuck I’d like, thank you.
LOL at the one who said that ‘people who don’t like Zeppelin just can’t understand them’. No, you’re wrong. I don’t like Zeppelin because they make misogynistic, boring blues rock. Robert Plant’s lyrics have always been absolute shite and his voice doesn’t do enough to salvage anything.
On top of that, you have guitar wanking Jimmy Page who feels like he has to play a fucking guitar solo in nearly every fucking song that Zep’s ever put out. Then you have Bonzo who popularized the god-awful drum solo. JPJ’s alright though, the only one in the band who isn’t a complete wank.
I’m sorry but there were much, much more challenging, innovative, and just plain fun bands in the 70’s than Led Zeppelin. If you deny that then you’re either not well exposed to music or you’re just in denial.
I think that I can say that 99 out of 100 people that posted comments on here never grew up in the 70’s or that time period.
It doesn’t really matter which band is “better” or overrated. Seen any new Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd albums lately? No? That’s cause that time period is long gone. That music doesn’t exist any more, fellas.
So go ahead, buy some zeppelin “albums” (most of you probably haven’t even played or listened to some 33’s). Not like it even matters anymore.
It’s just an opinion. I think it’s sad that I even wasted my time reading a few of these comments on here about “no way man led zeppelin aint called the gods of rock for nothin they are jimmy page kickas pink floyds ass!!!”.
I personally think Led Zeppelin is overrated – most of their songs followed a basic pattern, the obligatory acoustic rhythm or hard rock chords slamming right into the tune at the beginning, a quick black-dog like riff in the middle, an extended solo with Plant screaming “Ohhhh! Ohhh!” and another chord progression (most often power chords) for the ending.
Pink floyd, although not really comparable as they are both two different genres, had almost every song, in my opinion, completely unique and deep on their albums.
And for people debating about “stoner bands”. Well, let me tell you one thing. Everybody growing up in the sixties and seventies, and I mean EVERYBODY was on marijuana. Look at any rock band and you can see the influence that drugs had on the music – Pink Floyd started experimenting with different synths and sounds after LSD, most of the time during performances Page was drunk.
I own all of Led Zeppelin’s albums and a few live, I own all albums of a few of other bands from the 70s as well (a recent musical spending spree). I think I got the right to say then that Led Zeppelin is an overrated band that mostly released the same old boring tunes that they copied off somebody else or rehashed from earlier albums. Mostly the lyrics make Ozzy Osbourne’s seem intellectual, Robert Plant’s voice gets on your nerve and Jimmy Page’s guitar work realy isn’t all that creative or special. There are only a couple of songs on every album that are worth listening to. Beyond a couple of outstanding musical works(I will never deny songs like Stairway to Heaven, No Quarter or Kashmir belong in the greats), most is mediocre or below the standards of the opposition that you would only tap along to if you had St Vitus dance. Deep Purple would have to be Zeppelin’s main hard rock rival back in the day, and from ‘In Rock’ onwards Deep Purple were a far superior live act(I am talking about mk2 and mk3) with much better albums and songs that weren’t always the same but always rocked. ‘Made In Japan’ is also the best live album of all time. By the mid seventies, Queen was on the scene and their musical creativity was second to none. AC/DC was rising to fame by the late seventies and they were a full throttle rock and roll act that put on high energy live shows that really got the blood pumping. Ritchie Blackmore, the best guitarist and one of the most influential ever in my opinion, when he left Deep Purple in 1975 he formed Rainbow. Rainbow’s first three albums were better than Led Zeppelin. There are other better bands of the era, but I don’t need to go on and on. The reason I own all of Led Zeppelin’s albums is because I found the complete studio recordings at what I thought was a reasonable price. Had I known what I know now, I would have stuck with ‘How the west was won’ and the 2cd remaster set. They contain pretty much anthing you would want to hear from Led Zeppelin, without most of the filler contained in their albums. I don’t hate Led Zeppelin, but now I know I don’t love them either.
P.S. Pink Floyd are more creative than Led Zeppelin, but mostly really weren’t all that exciting.
They are fairly overrated as well, but I don’t actually their music, so I saved myself a bit of money.
I suppose a few people already know this, but Jimmy Page is a devotee to occultism and in particular the teachings of renowned satanist Aleister Crowley. Page even went so far as to purchase Crowley’s house, after already acquiring a large number of literature and paintings made by Crowley. Page’s interest in the occult was bearing an increasing influence on Led Zeppelin’s music. I know rock stars do some strange things but this is too much.
i dont like led zeppelin , they are so boring
Well….where do I start? Let’s just start here. Who want’s to hear a whiny lead singer going on and on in an ear piercing moaning orgasm through every song. Jimmy Page?….Please !!! He pulls a violin bow across a guitar and everyone thinks htat he is the best guitarist in the whole wide world? I mean I know everyone goes on about Jimmy Page, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Jimmy Hendrix as being top greatest guitar players in the world. They just revolutionised the guitar…..that was it. In fact I don’t even own or would ever even own any of the Led Zeppelin albums. Granted I am 35 years old I just never could get into listening to Zep, The Doors, SRV,Hendrix. I guess I just think that they all suck. Jim Morrison was a poet not a singer even though he was a lyrical genius he was just F****d all the time and none of his song made sense just like ALL of Led Zeppelins songs. Zeppelins songs never had to do with the titles of there songs….except for Stairway To Heaven and that one is the only one I think. So for those that don’t agree with me……..tough s***. Those who agree with me…..Rock On
Good to see you have an opinion about them. Led Zeppelin is probably my favourite band and i’m not offended by this in the least bit. It’s true that they had alot of garbage but the stuff that wasn’t garbage was gold.
Zeppelin are on the other hand one the most overrated bands on the face of the Earth – as are most great rock bands.
I give you the courage to speak your opinion Eric. However, I do not agree that they are one of the most overrated bands of all time, although this all boils down to our own particular favourite type of music. I actually think U2 is probably the most overrated band ever, and Eric Clapton (not counting all his bands, just clapton as an overall musician) is quite possibly the most underrated musician all time? What do you think?
Clapton is awesomely talented. I don’t think U2 is terribly overrated either — but they get more credit than they deserve because Bono is an amazingly decent human being.
But both these discussions are horribly off-topic. Maybe I’ll start a new thread next month.
If you think Led Zeppelin only has 2 or 3 good songs then you obviously haven’t listened to all Led Zeppelin’s music. That being said I think you have no right to say that they are overrated.
John “Bonzo” Bonham was IMHO not overrated, his drumming wasn’t flashy but it had a real presence and this is very apparent on “When The Levee Breaks” for example (Led Zeppelin II I think). Jimmy Page is overrated, he’s very good but there are better blues and rock guitarists (Jeff Beck to name one). I don’t know about the bassist but he seemed good. Robert Plant is way overrated. His voice is great for rock and on some songs is brilliant but can also get screechy and simply bad, I have some BBC sessions cds and his singing is pretty rubbish. That said they have more than just a few good songs: Stairway to heaven, black dog, trampled underfoot, when the levve breaks, whole lotta love…(basically everything on their best of (early and latter) but their albums are not consistently this good and I agreethat most have two or three standout tracks only. Floyd own them as do the stones (but slightly less). I think Bonham was the best part of Led Zep.
I have been a fan of LZ for quite a while.. though I do agree, they are overrated. To add- not 100% original either. (Come on, we all know how Plant and Page absolutely hate giving credit to the original artists) One part of LZ is not overrated, thats Bonham of course! Thats real talent there. Moving on to Page.. (i never thought i’d say this in public), but sounds a bit… sh!tty live. He even confirmed it himself, “I was always a sloppy guitarist”
JPJ is great talent and great additon to the band, my second favorite member.
Plant, hes ok. Certainly NOT the best vocalist.. (John Lennon, Freddie Mercury & D.Gilmour IMO are the finest vocalists)
Plant had a nice set of pipes at the start of the career, then that started to fade later.
So well theres that.
One more thing to add:(as someone stated earlier)- VH1 knows nothing about music! No need to just sit there and tell us whos great whos not. I laugh at their flimsy music/song ‘countdowns’ And; ditto to Rolling Stone magazine. Pathetic.
John Paul Jones is the best. Listen to the brilliant keyboards and pianos. Listen to the bass. He’s better than Bonham. They were all incredible anyway.
And something else. Moody Blues are WAAAAAAAAY underrated. They have amazing orchestration and synths, way better than Pink Floyd or even Led Zeppelin, and I love Led Zeppelin. Moody Blues are better than those other two. Maybe people should listen to songs that have more meaning, like what the Moody Blues write.
The Moody Blues were okay for our coke-fueled orgies back in the 60’s. Otherwise, most of their music is badly dated and features the most Hollywood schlock orchestration I’ve ever heard in rock music. Procol Harum were way better.
You guys have no clue what good music is so lets just leave it at that k!?
If LZ sucks, can you tell me why they are ranked “Best rock band ever” on http://www.rankopedia.com. And by the way, Page ranks second in “Best rock guitarist ever”.
If you like Zeppelin, then you’ll LOVE artists as Willie Dixon, Muddy Waters and such. Why? Because ‘Led Zeppelin’ ripped them off. Just listen to those artists, you will see that their tunes and LZ are VERY much alike.
You know whats even stranger? In Robert Plants solo career, he decided to title his song Tall Cool One! (same title for The Wailers song)
^-Page ranks in second as ‘best rock guitarist ever? By who? Some website or a magazine?
You kiddies have to stop believing all the crap they tell you and just listen to Jimmy Page live. Hes average in the studio and fails to deliver when live.
Overrated indeed.
Whoa, whoa. No dissing the Moody Blues. They are one of my favorites. The beautiful songs, flute, voices, lyrics…I love them.
Well as a huge Beatles fan, and also a Rolling Stones Fan, I have to say that there is no Greater Song than Stairway, it took years to write that song, but If we are gonna talk about Albums, Lets Compare Zepplin’s Greatest Album, Houses of the Holy. That album Is Great Song for Song, Just Like Tattoo You from the Stones, whole Album Rocks, and Just Like Abbey Road, a Flawless Record. But There simply is no song that is greater than Stairway. Zeppelin 4 isn’t the greatest album of all time, I will agree with you on that, but what Song can Compare with Stairway, as far as the Guitar, and Bass, and Drums, and Singing?? No song You could argue that Rush has some drum solos to match John Bohnam, Les Claypool could out play John Paul Jones any day of the week, and Al dimiola could Step up and out perform Jimmy Page in a picking contest, or even that old Line, “Jimmy Page played bass in the Yardbirds, second to Jeff Beck, and Eric Clapton, and Many would say Freddy Mercury could’ve out sang Robert Plant any day of the week, but when you put those four dudes together, on Stage, and They Play That Song, There is NOTHING more Harmonious. Period. It took them Years to complete, It is truly the Best song ever written, Name a better Song. You can’t because there isn’t one. Only one you like better, or that you like more, not a Better song. There is not one, and one does not exhist.
better songs than Staiway? sure
Gimme Shelter, Bohemian Rhapsody and Let It Be
Uh…you do know that Jimmy Page nicked the acoustic intro for Stairway from Spirit’s ‘Taurus’, right? It’s pretty common knowledge.
o crap you are right about the taurus song! i used to like led zep for a short while until i started seeing that they were fake. now i gotta tell my friend who idolizes them maybe she”ll change her mind after all…..
This has been a fun thread to read, and I won’t diss anyone who posted here, pro or anti Zep or Floyd or whoever, especially those of you who were thoughtful about what you said and not just throwing poison out there. Let me just say, I was born in 1957 which made me 12 when Zep’s I and II came out and 13 when III hit the radio, etc etc etc… so I sort of LIVED the Zep era… ya know, went to the parties where people played Zep on their quaint “record players” and heard Zep on the radio and so on. I can tell you this: Zep were not the Gods Of Rock by any means. That period, from ‘69 to ‘75, was an awesome time for Rock music. Sorry to bore you with this long post but there was a SHITLOAD of great music happening back then and Zep, popular as they were, hardly dominated the music scene.
But I think anyone who wants to post about Zep or Floyd and whether or not they were overrated, ought to have a clue about their music in the context of when it played. I loved them. I still listen to some of their stuff. They took American Blues music into the British Invasion and into mainstream American Pop in a way no one had before. And as many as these posters have already said, they were talented… Jimmy Page could flat out play guitar with anyone of that era or any era since. SOme of you have bagged on Zep doing songs about Tolkein’s stories but back then IT WORKED. We dug it. Laugh at us, but you will be laughed at 30 years from now because you thought Dave Matthews’s “Crash” was classic stuff but the hipsters of 2037 will see Matthews for the “poser” he is.
Zep Gods of Rock? maybe not but their stuff endures for a lot of reasons.
In the top 100 selling albums of all time Led has 5 and Pink has 2. Pink top alum(The Wall) is 3rd and Led is 4th.
pink floyd is great
but led zeppelin is the best..
The Beatles, Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix are the godfathers of modern rock then comes Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Led Zeppelin was a great band and in terms of influence only the Beatles beat them.
O-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d
there is no way zeppelin is overrated. wolfmother is overrated cos they hack zeppelin riffs. anyone that says they are overrated might as well throw away all modern metal, rock, and pop cos page was the precursor to all of them. eg achilles last stand has modern metal written all over it
Alright you fuckin pricks,you’ve pissed me off. First off you can not, absolutely not compare two bands such as pink Floyd To Led Zeppelin. They weren’t even closely related in the style of music that they generated. You fuckin idiots. Some of you people in this discussion shouldn’t even be in it because you don’t have a god damn clue what the hell your talking about. some of these posts are absolutely ridiculous and so fuckin stupid my 12 year old son could make a more valid point. Which now brings me to my quote un-quote opinion. Led Zeppelin was the start of not only that style of music, which is known today as Hard Rock, but the starting period of a time that was so pure and completely care free. Which You fuckin twats have never even come close to experience. You can’t open your God Damn mouth and spout out something you don’t even know about. None of you that I’ve read knows a fuckin thing about classic Rock. Led zeppelin is not over rated in fact they have not been rated high enough. Every band you here playing these god awful power chorded bull shit excuse of songs these days would tell you Led Zeppelin is the essential sound of what is known as Hard Rock. They were the first Hard rock band of there time and are known as Rock Legends with all the elements in tact. They sold out hundreds of venues around the world and essentially were known to be The, and I quote, end to Beatle Mania. They wrote the book when it came to playing so solidly as one. there sound was smooth and flowed together with a soft core and rough driving spirit. You fuckin pricks have never heard the band play live. I have, MSG 1972,The whole audience was dumbfounded and in a transe of how loud and powerful the band appeared. The Group glowed on stage and was just absolutely amazing. If you could only go back in time and experience this you would have a better understanding of why the band is so praised today. They were the best performers to ever live and they didn’t do it with lights or props or any of that bull shit they did it with the music that came from there crafted talents. Jimmy Page is still known today as one the most influential and talented guitarists of all time up there with all of the finest. Robert Plant has become a Rock legend and back in the day cleaned house in the vocal awards. He is known for his wide vocal range, I mean the guy could sing the fuckin phone book, and his sex symbol image. John Paul Jones is highly underated as a musician but was a genius with sound and could take a peice of music and transform into a mind journey. Lastley, John Bonham, what can I say The man hands down was The Best drummer of all time and will be for 500+ years. The man was a monster on the drums. You should hear him live. My God Bonham could get done from playing a 10 song set and bust out a fuckin spectacular 25 minute drum solo with no brake. he could generate the double bass pedal beat with a single bass pedal. The man was amazing, R.I.P. Together they were Led Zeppelin and together there sound was one. No band has ever played as well together as they have. All I’m saying is Zeppelin deserves every bit of praise they get because without them the 70’s would have sucked ass. For you people that want to hear some shit you can lose your mind in here are a few Zepp songs I recommened. Oh and do me a favor, LISTEN CLOSELY!!!!
-The Lemon Song
-Gallows Pole
-In My Time of Dying
-I’m Gonna Crawl
-Trampled Underfoot
-Moby Dick (Bonham’s Drum Solo)
-The Rain Song
-Since I’ve Been Loving You
-D’Yer Mak’er
-You Shook Me
-Ten Years Gone
-Tea For One
* All the fuckin songs are good just liten closely and you’ll get lost in your mind I’m serious it’s very powerful music. GBLZ
ok get it straight retards Zeppelin is NOT overrated they deserve all the glory they get THEY were the ones who created modern rock the beatles are overrated there just a pop group and Pink Floyd’s dark side of the moon isnt bad but Zeps got a shitload more hits:
Moby dick
The song remains the same
houses of the holy
kashmir
ten years gone
achilles last stand
all of my love
in the evening
Whole Lotta Love
Heartbreaker
Ramble on
Good times Bad times
Babe im goin to leave you
Dazed and Confused
Communication Breakdown
Immigrant song
Black dog
rock and roll
when the levee breaks
Stairway to Heaven and plaenty more
so all in all Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time and anyone who thinks other wise is ignorant and stupid
It’s interesting that you find Stairway to Heaven such a good song, and it’s their most popular. It makes me wonder if you have confused what’s good with what’s popular. This would explain your overall opinions.
Then, after reading how think the Stones are better, I see why you think what you do. I, too, love the Stones, but they can’t begin to compete with Zeppelin when it comes to complexity of music or pure musical talent, period. This makes me think you just like simpler music, or the fact that Led Zeppelin is so good escapes you because they’re over your head. No offense.
You’re trying to compare bassists Wyman to Jones, drummers Charlie to John, and that’s just fucking hysterical. I mean hysterical. Good luck with that.
all i can say is none of u have made any decent music and with near certainty never will, so dont bag bands that have
Stairway to Heaven the #1 rock song of all time, according to most polls, was stolen from a band called Spirit. The song was originally called Taurus. The real messed up part of that is Zeppelin opened for Spirit On their first US tour, and covered one of their songs.
They also stole Dazed and Confused from a guy Jake Holmes who did the song in 1962. They stole Black Dog from the Small faces a song called “you need love” done in 1966. It’s really fucked up. The songs are exactly the same. It’s unreal; it really makes me look at Jimmy Page in a new light.
“Then, after reading how think the Stones are better, I see why you think what you do. I, too, love the Stones, but they can’t begin to compete with Zeppelin when it comes to complexity of music or pure musical talent, period. This makes me think you just like simpler music, or the fact that Led Zeppelin is so good escapes you because they’re over your head. No offense.
You’re trying to compare bassists Wyman to Jones, drummers Charlie to John, and that’s just fucking hysterical. I mean hysterical. Good luck with that.”
No. Charlie Watts swings harder and the Stones don’t have to play with ‘complexity’ to be as good as they were. They were just a damn fine rock n’ roll band. What’s so complex about Led Zeppelin anyway? What’s so good about them? The Stones rocked harder and had more true spirit and funk in their blood, The Beatles wrote better melodies, Cream jammed better, Pink Floyd were far more experimental and diverse, and when it comes to riffs, Black Sabbath runs circles around Zeppelin. If you want, in terms of ‘complexity’, every single progressive rock band beats Zeppelin. Jaki Liebezeit of Can is a more proficient drummer than Bonzo. Jeff Beck and Roy Buchanan beat Jimmy Page as blues guitarists. Greg Lake, John Entwhistle, Holger Czukay and others are better bassists than Jones (and Pete Townshend is a better multi-instrumentalist). And don’t get me started on Robert Plant. Even Freddie Mercury has a better voice than Plant and I hate Queen.
I still like Led Zeppelin, but their status as indisputable rock titans has always irritated me when they are outplayed in just about every department and their main attraction is that they supposedly brought the best of all worlds into a melting pot and started a new type of heavy rock. I’ll be the first to call bullshit.
its funny how someone mentioned that wolfmother hacked zeppelins riffs. Are you trying to say that led zeppelin didnt?
hysterical!
you guys are hilarious really…have ou ever really listened to the songs that zeppelin “so called” copieid note for note. they are much different….you can see the comparison of course but its more of a revision than a copy. shakespear took stories and revised them to make many of his plays…but that just made them all the more better. and people loved him for it. as do i love led zeppelin. and for all the bullshit about fillers on the albums. you gotta be shitting me every single song on every album up to phisical graphitti is gold. sure zep has those songs that everyone can understand rythmectly like kashmire and stairway with all the overused hooks…..but alot of the songs that i love take more than that and they sink into your soul because it is just so raw and never loose their intensety or emotoin…and once you understand this then you will be transfixed on their music. And for them being over rated….. the pop culture informers (rolling stone) always bagged on zeppelin for sucking….but the american youth obviously thought otherwise…..if your over rated doesnt that mean that the critics over rate you? if the fans over rate you then whats that? is that being over rated to? i did not know that if the fans think ure gods then your overrated. no. that just means that your so good that you break through what the critics say with your amazing rock power.
-Tony
I just want to say that people who think LZ listeners are posers are completely wrong! I’m 14 and i love LZ. They’re my favourite band. I’ve been playin guitar for 7 years and my playin i heavily influenced by them and AC/DC. All the kids in my school albeit a few listen to rap and pop and dance. they have no musical taste whatsoever. Who wants to listen to a load of electronic drum beats turned up blast in a car by some chavs. I just dont understand why people can’t see the genius of real musical fusion, like led zep and rock.
My second point is people stereotyping kids wearing led zep t-shirts. nowadays people who do wear them are more likely to listen to them because everyone loves new bands like atomic kitten and other crap.
Oh and btw im not from America i’m from England so i dont know how popular LZ is amongt youths of Amrica.
“Who wants to listen to a load of electronic drum beats”
I do. Dude, I practically WORSHIP Kraftwerk. They’re great.
I disagree. Comletely. Led Zeppelin are amongst the greatest bands ever! Im 14, and most of my friends listen to popmusic. But no, Im not a poser. I dont show of just because I love Led Zeppelin, I actually dont tell many people about it because I dont want them to listen to Led Zeppelin. I want Led Zeppelin for my own becauseI think its the greatest band of all time! I listen to the lyrics, and understand them, though they might seem complicated for people like me (Im from Norway). Even Led Zeppelins worst songs is good, theyre a masterpiece of instruments and lyrics. Their music is just undescribable to me. One of the reasons why I worship Led Zeppelin is because their songs kept me up in a period of depression. And by the way, the guitar riff on Dazed and Confused is amazing!
Clearly, some of you disagree, but I dont care.
Led Zeppelin is The Band.
Led Zeppelin is NOT The Band – and –
The Band is NOT Led Zeppelin.
They’re TWO different bands. Doh!
First let me say I love these circular arguments about music. You can have any opinion you want, and you just as right as anyone else. So let me say that I don’t think Zeppelin isn’t anymore over rated than any other popular music. Talent? Of course Page,Plant,Jones and Bonham had tons of that; that is almost impossible to argue. But the music they made fits into popular culture perfectly – Lyrics about sex, catchy guitar riffs, Hard beats. And the scene that their music falls into does get overrated because it is abundantly rated because it is popular. Being a musican I love zeppelin for their . Listen to John Bonham’s Drums only in “Fool in the Rain” (You can find the track on Drummerworld.com) it really is incredible.
Pink Floyd didn’t really make popular music. DSOTM definitely could be pop music, but first take a step back and listen to Obscured by Clouds-Track 7 “Childhoods End”. That song is what Floyd is all about and that came out before DSOTM. Floyd didn’t have the pop music formula, but they did have the talent and creativity which is enough to make it big.
So what’s my point? WHO CARES where these bands ranked on the billboards or the fact that everyone wears that “Led Zeppelin 1977 World tour” shirt. They both made great music and they both have completely different styles. Comparing them will never make perfect sense. You want to talk about over rated, under rated, disrespected? Listen to Jazz. Some of the best musicians don’t even get rated because their music doesn’t have lyrics.
All I’m saying is enjoy music because of the way the sounds make you feel. Don’t let The Radio, billboard charts, the word “poser”, a T-Shirt or Ratings influence your opinion on music. All those things do it cover up all the great music that you’ve never been exposed to (not that I have, but at least I’m looking).
I hate Led Zeppelin with a burning passion. Page sucks, bass suck, vocals suck, drums are okay…Either way, they suck. That’s all there is too it.
IMO, Zep is over-rated.
Zep obviously were talented musicians, but “borrowed” plenty of riffs and lyrics throughout the years, and tried to pass off as their own. That definitely tarnishes their legacy.
Not to mention the injured goat yelp that Plant calls vocals….
And looking at their legacy outside of music, they obviously loved thier fans since they thought it perfectly acceptable to raise ticket prices to support thier drug habits..
Speaking of blogs, Wil Wheaton has made a nice post about Floyd which explains quite well why they are so DAMN good. Follow this link.
http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2007/06/the_sun_is_ecli.html
LED ZEPPELIN IS THE GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND ON EARTH. THEY REVOLUTIONIZED ACID ROCK DURING THE LATE 60′S, CREATED THE HARD ROCK SOUND OF THE EARLY 70′S, CHANGED THE WAY ROCK AND ROLL SOUNDED AND INVENTED HEAVY METAL. I’VE HEARD EVERYONE OF LED ZEPPELIN’S SONGS AND THEY ARE ALL E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T!!! (Except for Hat’s off to Roy Harper.)
What makes Led Zeppelin great, is the fact that they have been broken up for 27 years, more or less, and people of all ages are on here arguing about them. How many bands and such have been created since like the 50’s, and the fact is that only the great ones remain for decades after there gone.
My favorite band is Led Zeppelin. Im 24 years old, Im a girl and im the only one of my friends that listens to them and knows everything about them. Some of my friends think Zepllelin sucks and they cant stand it. I really dont care, cause I enjoy listening to them just like other people enjoy listening to other stuff.
So what it all boils down to is that great bands stick around for generations and everyone has their own opinions about every one of them.
I have only one thing to say The Who>The Beatles>The Rolling Stones.>ALL other Bands
Most people I have encountered who wear Led Zeppelin shirts have only heard “Stairway to Heaven.” They rarely have listened to their records.
We suck donkey balls dude :D
LED ZEPPELIN SUCKS JIMMY IS THE ONLY GOOD ONE
How in the world can they be overrated when you have millions buying their albums and listening to their music? C’mon, get real man. You may not like all their songs but overrated is just too darn silly to describe the band and their music.
I THINK THAT TO DISSCUSS WITH IGNORANT PEOPLE IS A WASTE OF TIME. LIKE OR NOT LED ZEPPELIN IS THE BEST BAND EVER….yUO DON´T KNOW NOTHING ABUOT MUSIC, WHY DON´T U READ OR TALK WITH MUSICIANS OR PEOPPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT MUSIC…. I DON´T KNOW WHO THE FLAMING LIPS OR THE SCREECHING WEASEL THINK THEY ARE TO SAY THAT THE BEST BAND EVER SUCKS…ONLY STUPID PEOLPLE WUOLD AGREE WITH THEM
I gotta say the above comment pretty much says “I’m such an idiot I can’t even type something coherent.”
As much as I ridicule the last poster — not for his opinions to which he is entitled — for his level of intelligence his communications skills imply (unless he’s like 10 years old), he’s better than most who comment here on either side, because he’s brave enough to post with his name.
I reject about 1/2 of the comments posted because they’re incoherent AND anonymous.
And remember, I never said they sucked. I said they’re overrated. Please, at least argue with the correct point.
– Your Loving Blogger
Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd in a battle to the death.
Roger Waters walks up to John paul jones and punches him in the face because he thinks his bass playing sucks. Robert Plant returns the punch to John by kicking Waters in the testicles. David Gilmore uses a Fender stratocaster to try and smash in John Bonhams head “I KNOW HE IS ALREADY DEAD BUT THIS IS HOW I THINK IT WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN”. He misses and Bonham sticks a drum stick in his eye. Jimmy page picks up his gibson les paul, plugs it in to the largest Marshall stack in the world and turns it up to eleven “ha ha”. He then plays the first note to “HEARTBREAKER” And in doing so, destroys the entire world “except Chuck Norris of course” God then brings them all back to life knowing that exsistance is not possible without Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Both bands “knowing that neither one can destroy the other” put on the GREATEST CONCERT OF ALL TIME and all other bands bow there head in shame.
Good to hear that other people think that LZ is overrated. Because they are. Very talented musicians but sort of monopolized music at the time and kept other bands from really standing out. Check out some Blue Oyster Cult.
It’s kind of funny the way i would up finding this thread. I believe i was typing in the words “Bob Dylan sucks” into google, and this came up. Very interesting, because i’ve argued with many friends over the years about the issues regarding led zepplin being overated. This comment is coming from a huge Pink Floyd fan. I absolutely love floyd, i can’t get enough of them. Interesting, deep, and there music is not “Strictly for stoners” as i read from a comment above. When it comes down to it, i don’t hate zepplin, but Plants vocals make me want to swallow a gun. His screaching voice drives me absolutely NUTS. That aside, i don’t mind the music at all. However, when all is said and done, i do not think they are the gods of rock. Who takes that title? I havent realy thought about it yet…
By: Eugenio
-”..IGNORANT PEOPLE”
-”LIKE OR NOT LED ZEPPELIN IS THE BEST BAND EVER..”
Haha.
Hey nutjobs. Watch this 30 minute you tube video of Zep in the late 60’s to see genius at work
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sJWP3JJf2t4
Enjoy.
Hey fluffernutter. Get familiar with this page, read it.
They don’t suck, they’re just OVERRATED.
PS: I do have all their albums, and have seen majority of their videos.
PPS: (It’s the truth) Led Zeppelin snatched many songs!
Pink Floyd I saw live in 1994 and still remains the best concert I went to. My first concert was The Who in 1989. To whom said PF played like on records hasn’t heard any ROIOs. David Gilmour changed his guitar solos and Rick Wright played different keyboard solos nightly on the songs and they were excellent live and at least had their sh*t together in 1977 when they played all of Animals and Wish You Were Here live and some of the songs differed than the studio versions and would be longer as they played longer solos. Punk didn’t go mainstream until 1994 with Green Day as it was an underground thing and the coasts loved punk. Floyd weren’t a drug band much to popular opinion, their songs alluded to Syd Barrett, life problems and so forth. In fact, Pink floyd were equally hated by Rolling Stone magazine. the original reviews of albums like Wish You Were Here and Animals were scathing and the idiots called PF passionless, worthless and bleak. Floyd and Zep ruled the rock roost in 1977 not punk!
There’s only one band that has legitimately held the title World’s Greatest Rock and Roll Band: The Rolling Stones. Led Zeppelin not remotely close. An embarrasment when seen live, to tell the truth.
yeah i just started listeining to some Led to see what all the buzz is about, and frankly its nothing spectacular. i love the guitar riff in Black Dog, but whoever played it on the recording just played sucked, its sloppy and the tone sounds like shit. Weird Al’s band did a much better job with that riff on “Trapped in the drive thru” for the radio bit in the middle of the song.
if u want a real rock legend, listen to Muse, they are everything led is +100
dude, the rolling stones titled themselves as the ‘worlds greatest rock and roll band’
just like muhammad ali did for himself: ‘i am the greatest’
they arent and neither is led zeppelin.. Now Beatles, theres something thats always going to be 1st and the greatest.
You just SO missed the point. This wasn’t about who the greatest bad ever is. I can assure you that is neither the Stones, Floyd, or Zep. But I won’t start that argument here.
It amazes me how many people post here and don’t bother reading my original post. No wonder most of you post anonymously — you don’t want people to know what an idiot you are.
Can you write and perform like Zeppelin? No?! Well then, YOU SUCK!!!!!
I’d just like to say – if you say “Led Zeppelin sucks!” or “Pink Floyd is the best!”, it’s just an opinion. In some people’s head’s Led Zep sounds better then Pink Floyd, or vice versa. Not one of us should judge if a band sucks or not, because it may sound good to another person.
um… this argument has gotten a little out of hand. Lets just say this: everyone has their own opinions and reason. Me saying I hate Led Zeppelin(which i don’t) doesnt mean they are a terrible band. So, lets just say this argument, which i have seen many times, will have no winner.
Maybe some people don’t seem to realize that Led Zeppelin are the most talented band of all time all around. All four of their musicans are better than pink floyds. John Bonham by the way is the greatest rock drummer to walk the Earth. They also have the record for most albums in the top 200. Nine I think correct me if I’m wrong. To say Led Zeppelin doesn’t have many good songs is ridiculus. They also were insane with live performances. They could improvise so much. Led Zeppelin truly is the greatest rock band out there. Naturally not everyone is going to think that though. But just take a look at this.
http://www.avrev.com/bands/
I couldn’t agree with you more. They were a very good band, and at times a great band, but in no way deserving of the attention they received. The claims of plagiarism are well substantiated. I would think any band that would lay claim to being the greatest should be a bit more original. I believe a lot of their songs were well contrived. A formula if you will. Come up with a catchy riff, add some dreamy lyrics stolen from Tolkien or Norse mythology, and of course the required dazzling solo. The masses went for it like McDonalds sells hamburgers, and the analogy is not far off. Pink Floyd was great as well, but really how many songs need to be written about a particular member going nuts? For my money, the Holy Trinity of British rock are beyond any comparison. That being the Beatles, Stones and the Who. For the record, the latter in their prime could not begin to be touched by anyone else on stage.
Led Zeppelin are overrated. I bought the IV album one day cause I heard it was so good. There are like, 2 really good songs, and 1 good song. The rest are forgettable. They are not gods of rock, nor are they innovators. Stairway is a good song, but they’re are better epic rock ballads, like November Rain, Freebird, Bohimien Rhapsody, or Dry County by Bon Jovi. That song deserves some more attention.
Yeah dude, this is totally wrong. Led zeppelin is the most overrated band on the freaking planet. I mean seriously, Robert Plant is the only singer who can have an orgasm in a song and make millions off of it. Also you would think when they make a huge deal about putting out some great new album they may actually have some great new songs right? Wrong. They re-do the same old bull crap and everyone loves it. Lastly, the way everyone considers Jimmy Page the greatest guitarist ever is so ignorant and pathetic. He plays the basic crap and recycles it in all their songs. The way I see it, led zeppelin got so much for so little.
LZ extended an already well-established sound by Yardbirds (long before Page), Cream (1966), Syd Barrett’s Pink Floyd (1967).
Jimmy Plagiarist stole many songs from others as he jumped on the bandwagon of an already well-established sound.
Why do many dummy folks revere LZ?
[1] marketing and management superior to other groups at the time
[2] significant upheaval to the establisment in the Western world
[3] rapid change in merchandising through mass media
To discover the many thefts of Jimmy Plagiarist and Fraudbert Plant, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCMDR0yrxMw
I hate led except for communication. just because paige was putting out records before more people became interested in hard rock doesn’t mean he’s a classic or even worth any time at all. As for Plant, i don’t see his appeal. He’s like those new singers that take the american anthem and add their uncontrollable yelping. Every single kid at my school that doesn’t like rap, wears zep tshirts. I used to like pink floyd strictly from a pop since, but recently ive begun to appreciate their instrumental talent and inventiveness. still i find a lot of fun in today’s “garbage.” not new metal, but poppier stuff, per say, like foo fighters, rhcp, modest m, somegrunge, and killers or something. O and wikipedia is a book of lies so please do not trust it. I looked up Romeo and Juliet and it stated,”That shit is for ni****s.”
In the 1980s I tried to get into Led Zep as I’d heard so much great stuff about them. At the time I was into what might be called hard rock, of various styles, eg Queen, Iron Maiden, Rush et al. I bought and listened to Led Zeppelin. Almost all their albums. I thought they were mediocre. I still do in fact. They offered nothing that the bands I already liked did.
I read somewhere that “boasting is not attractive”. And my dislike of Led Zeppelin is largely based around that truism. Everytime someone says things like “You can’t like music if you don’t like Zeppelin maaan” “Duuude, Zeppelin rule!” or “You HAVE to respect Zeppelin” I dislike Zeppelin even more. True,it’s more of an association thing than anything else. Like I said, I found Led Zeppelin mediocre. All the you-have-to-like-zeppelin- nonsense amounts to little more than a form of bullying, one of the worst human character traits.
To all rabid Led Zeppelin fans- some people don’t like your band. Deal with it.
To be honest, when I first bought the double CD album containing the “Early Days” and the “Latter Days,” I only liked a few songs myself. I adored Stairway to Heaven and Communication Breakdown. Heck, I even spent a few hours learning those songs by ear. Finally, I forced, actually forced, myself to listen to songs such as No Quarter. Eventually, I began to realize that these songs were not ordinary songs. Over time, I developed a deep respect for the overall textures and sounds. I loved how they wove so many styles and ideas into a song. I loved the studio techniques. Then, last summer, I got about 90% of the albums. I absolutely went crazy on them. I learned as many as I could on the guitar and piano. Now, I finally bought Houses of the Holy and find D’yer Mak’er to be my favorite song of all time. I now love Led Zeppelin and the band. I just hope that you don’t disrespect the music they have created to quench the musical thirst people like me have for something fresh, original, and just so tasteful! I have said my part. Thanks.
I agree with the last post about how after listening to their music after some time developed my taste. I was referred to the band from a friend who played a few of their riffs (such as Babe leave you and etc etc). I decided, since I had not listened to much music in my lifetime, that I’d pick up copies of the entire Led Zeppelin discography (excluding lives and singles and what not, just simply the normal albums.) I soon realized it was not my type of music and I did not listen to many songs all the way through or listen to how each individual in the band played such a small part. Lucky me, I purchased my first vehicle and got a fantastic subwoofer handed down from my brother and began listening to LZ with the bass turned up. In essence, I began to realize how I could feel the songs being played. ‘Since I’ve Been Loving You’, ‘Kashmir’, ‘Bron-Y-Aur Stomp’, and more all began to melt into my system and I could truly see why LZ was a force to be reckoned with. They had songs of all proportions, songs to listen to when it’s raining, songs when its sunny, songs when life seems good and I truly felt an accompaniment to my life being there through LZ. I will have to say, about half of their songs are not all that good in my opinion, but the other half are swell. That gives me about 40 favorites all just from LZ. Thanks for reading.
I tried listening to all their music, I liked it for a short period of time.
I got over them.
I think it’s the diehard fans and some magazines that tried to push the ‘Led Zeppelin is the best band ever’ down my throat, which is what pushed ME further away from the band.
I view them as just average and nothing mind blowing.
Led Zeppelin aren’t the greatest band… they just made you think they were. If you are easily influenced, then sure I guess your argument on this forum is “I love zeppelin because they look and act like a bunch of alpha rock douches”
Its gay. You guys idolizing musicians. Calling them the greatest and shit. IMO good music inspires new ideas, or makes you feel something interesting or different.
stop looking at jimmy’s fingers or plant’s package losers. Stop being gay and loving all over your ROCK GODS. zeppelin is boring, OLD music. and to all you teenies, listen to some rush or genesis or magma
Led Zeppelin doesn’t suck as to say they aren’t talented and create crap music. Led Zeppelin however loses points with me because a lot of their stuff is blatant rips from other bands. I would have no problem with this if they had credited the artists. Jimi Hendrix made a living covering songs but he credited the artists. Spirit-Tauras = Stairway to Heaven and WIllie Dixon basically wrote Whole Lotta Love and I Can’t Quit You Baby. For me Led Zeppelin is an over glorified blues band with a lead singer who’s voice to some is the best in rock but to me is the the whiniest voice out there. Awesome guitar riffs easy to get bored with. I would have to say that coming from where I’m from Pink Floyd is the greatest band of all time. No band changed their sound so much but always kept their integrity as much as Pink Floyd. I would put the Stones, Beatles, King Crimson, Jimi Hendrix and the Experience, Cream, Les Claypool’s body of work, Beach Boys, hell I can go on for a long time. I don’t hate Zeppelin but for me they’re a very generic sound and although I’d like to see them tour I will debate anyone who wants to say that they’re better than my Floyd.
I think you need to sit down one day and really listen to their music. I mean really listen to it. I think what makes their music so great is it’s depth. There is so much going on that with almost every listen, you discover something new to focus on.
Well, Wikipedia is kind of wrong (even though I go there all the time for most of my info), Stairway to Heaven is the best Led Zeppelin song, but yes, you’re right, if you grab one of their albums, “Physical Graffiti” for example, the only good song, in my opinion, is Kashmir.
I bet if the band came up to all you people talking smack and asked you what you thought, you would think that we “Led Zeppelin” are pretty awesome!
I hate Led Zeppelin. A bunch of their music was stolen from poor blues musicians and they sucked live. I used to like them a lot…
And yes…I have listened to all of their albums, all the way through…I got all of them on vinyl cuz somebody gave ‘em to me and my dad likes ‘em. Anyway…the live album sucks cuz they screw up every song and play for 30mins probably cuz they forgot how the song ended.
And then Plant is jerkin’ off on stage or sumthin’ cuz he’s just orgasming like crazy! I don’t get the appeal…
I listen to punk now…not the poppy crap(blink182 etc)…Dead Kennedys, Leftover Crack, Witch Hunt, Mouth Sewn Shut, Richard Hell, the list goes on. Anyway I don’t like any of this “classic” rock…yes I appreciate what some of the bands did…but…I thank this music for spawning my music! Punk started cuz the Ramones hated the mainstream crap like zep.
Get over them…they are not as skilled as everybody says…
plus…their songs are all about LOTR and sex…boring…its cool to write something like that every once and a while…but…write something that actually has meaning. Led Zeppelin was rubbish!
Also…
Punk acts are way better live than any of these mainstream bands. Punk bands encourage audience participation and even ask fans to get onstage and sing along(which I have done). These bands just play their songs and leave after charging excessive fees…punk shows are $10 for around 4 bands…can’t beat that with a stick. And, punk is trying to stick to the fastpaced style of rock ‘n’ roll when it was founded. Plus, because bands are labeled “punk”, people automatically turn away from them. Dead Kennedys were way more skilled than Zep…but they get no props cuz they wre a punk band…what’s with that?
Led Zeppelin is just a brand.
does this matter? if you like led zeppelin, you like led zeppelin. if you like pink floyd, you like pink floyd. if you like both, you like both. It’s all music. You’re all ignorant to that right now. They didn’t write Physical Graffiti or DSOTM to have the best album sales. They made music. That’s what it always will be. Music. It’s for you to enjoy, for them to enjoy, for EVERYONE to enjoy. Forget your statistics and just listen!
this argument sucks..both LZ and PF blow sweaty goat balls. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Circle Jerks would completely and utterly destroy either of those weak, generic, safe, predictable, boring, imitators. you people need to check out real music made by real people, not weirdo dope fiends or Alister Crowley wannabes. Check out Bad Brains,The Minutemen, Propagandhi..anything real. Who cares about songs talking about hobbits and trolls and golem and that crap
While I am a led zeppelin freak, i would like to say you can express or opinions even tho i completely disagree with them. For instance i think every1 but maybe 1 or 2 songs are genius but your certainly brave to openly admit it. Peace!
My God, you’re all so stupid. Why did this jerk post this in the first place? OH YEAH, because for the past few years it’s been in “in” thing to say, “Yeah, I like Zep, but they’re way overrated.” And to the guy/girl who said “Neil Peart > John Bonham”:
Keith Moon > EVERYONE.
And anonymous dude who mentioned bands like Propaghandi and shit? What the hell’s wrong with you? I’ve listened to the Circle Jerks, and Propaghandi, and for you to even suggest those bands in the face of monsters like Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, you SURELY have something seriously wrong with you. Next you’ll tell us to listen to Fear Before the March of Flames.
i disagree, you just really got to sit down and listen to their so called “throwaway” songs, and you will enjoy them
Okay, to everyone saying Page or Hendrix is the best guitarist of all time, you’re wrong. John Petrucci is. Mike Portnoy is the best drummer, except perhaps Rich.
Now, regarding Zepp and Floyd: Floyd is excellent stoner music. Comfortably Numb is amazing for such a situation. Well, music in general is, but Pink Floyd is the best. I love it. Dark Side is brilliant for that.
Floyd’s also good just to listen to. The lyrics are great.
Led Zeppelin is great music, very influential, fun, and well done. They are much more rockin’ than Floyd, no doubt. I love Plant’s voice and Jones’ musicianship on the instruments.
Both wonderful bands. But Dream Theater is better than them both. Check them out. They take down every band in existence. Their skills surpass all musicians I know.
Don’t whine about Zepp and Floyd. They both got a lot of appreciation.
Right. Here’s AUDIO backup for those claiming plagiarism. The claim being Led is the best COVER BAND of all time. Let your ears decide: http://tinyurl.com/3gcmgn
maybe women and making love isnt something you can relate too, because you dont like led zeppelin.
led zeppelin is the best rock group.
If you were listening to Led Zeppelin III then I understand. However if you were listening to Led Zeppelin IV, you’re fucked!
Zeppelin are severely overrated. Not only did they take credit for a bunch of songs they didn’t write, but oftentimes they’d take the music from one song and take words of another song and throw them together. Disgusting. As a musician I classify that as cheating, to write down in the albums notes “Composed by: Jimmy Page” and to make no mention of the songs that are being ’sneakily’ sabotaged is something a music player would do, not a true musician.
Not to mention, they really aren’t all that talented as individuals. As a band they have their own sound, and I respect that, but I think that sound is just really sloppy and awkward, and especially so live. The riffs stumble and the singing is terribly annoying. Robert Plant singing is like nails on a chalkboard. And Jimmy Page plays like a 15 year old that might be great…some day.
At least the rhythm section never lacked, as the bass is always bumping and the drums are always nasty, John Paul Jones is very talented on the bass (and all those other instrumental touches) and John Bonham was a machine on the drums.
I nominate Deep Purple for greatest band of all-time. 18 albums and still touring TO THIS DAY. They may have had many lineup changes, but all that did was make their discography that much more varied and unique. They are more influential than people note.
Without Deep Purple, there would be no speed in metal. Listen to 1971’s Fireball, its one of the first songs to have an aggressive, up-paced metal tempo. Not to mention the very popular Highway Star, but that came a bit later.
Ritchie Blackmore and Jon Lord together introduced classical music into rock. There would be no Yngwie Malmsteen or Rhapsody or any other classical influence in music if it weren’t for Deep Purple.
Ritchie Blackmore plays circles around Jimmy Page, any day of the week, twice as fast and half as sloppy. Jon Lord plays with more flow on his organ than Led Zeppelin played as a band. And Ian Gillan is a far superior singer, as are Glenn Hughes, David Coverdale, and Joe Lynn Turner.
On top of that, every Deep Purple album I’ve listened to is solid, with at the most one or two songs of filler. Their songs are arranged and composed far better than any song Jimmy Page could write (or steal), and they have more dynamics in one song than Zeppelin do in an entire album.
And, last but certainly not least, the experimental side of DP. Everyone always says Zeppelin did the most experimenting. Not true, not true at all. Like previously mentioned, Deep Purple played fast first and added in the classical music first. In fact, they had two albums released before Sabbath and Zeppelin even formed as bands. But as I was saying, if you want to dispute the fact that Deep Purple experimented more than any other band, download these following songs. Listen to how different the influences of the songs are, and then listen to how its still Deep Purple. Listen to how every riff (and theres more than two in a song, unlike Led Zeppelin) serves a purpose and flows so well.
Lazy – Jazzy Deep Purple
Child In Time – A chilling ballad with several moods.
(Note:The intro to this was inspired by another band, and IAN GILLAN GAVE CREDIT TO THAT BAND IN INTERVIEWS AND ON THE ALBUMS NOTES. Unlike Zeppelin, who just took credit for writing the songs themselves.)
Anya – Starts flamenco, then goes into a metal-esque style.
Anyones Daughter – Country rock
Getting Tighter – Fast funk
Comin’ Home – Awesome organ based classic rock
Fireball – Fast, aggressive, heavy…did I mention fast?
Doing It Tonight – Reggae-tone Hard Rock Deep Purple?
Ramshackle Man – Heavy blues
Hey Cisco – Starts acoustic, then goes heavy, then goes funk, then goes jazz…tons of dynamics
Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming – Listen to this if you want to hear how a real guitar player solos. With emotion and feel, not slopfests.
Other bands better than Zeppelin: Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, UFO, Jethro Tull, The Who, The Beatles, Uriah Heep, Blue Oyster Cult, and the list goes on
ya led zeppelin is over rated and boreing. sorry.
‘Stairway to Heaven’ was the first song I heard from Led Zeppelin when I Was in my early teens. I thought to myself ‘what an opus! I bet the rest of their songs are this great!!’ Then I heard Led Zeppelin I and never heard more ‘baby baby baby baby baby baby’ crap anywhere else than in that album! So much for the mystical lyrics (Sample ‘Babe, I’m gonna leave you’.. ugh!!) I was very disappointed because they ended up being more of a bluesy stroke band than a pioneering heavy metal band (although I did come to like ‘How Many More Times’ a lot over a period of time).
But all in all, I do think they’re overrated and very much overplayed on the radio. I never understood why ‘Heartbreaker’ and ‘Living Loving Maid’ HAVE to get played back to back every single time. I’d be happy with just hearing ‘Heartbreaker’ by itself… but just when you hope it’s over, Robert pipes off with ‘with da purple umber rella and da fitty cent haaah!!’ ARRGHH!!!
Btws, while I’m here, true heavy metal pioneers – Sir Lord Baltimore, Blue Cheer, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple’s ‘In Rock’ album. Those albums/bands are EVIL and made an attempt at scaring. Led Zep tried to get into girls pants.
I think you’re full of shit, each to their own, though, I guess.
I hate led zeppelin. They only have boring old songs. Stairway to gayness is the world’s worst song. I’d rather listen to some real shit like old Metallica, Sex Pistols, Anti-Flag, Slipknot and Rancid
HAHAHAHA, Led Zeppelin, overrated or not, are STILL significant enough to stir up an argument lasting three years. Honestly though, its all about perception isnt it? How you were raised, what experiences YOU had that actually decides what music you like. In my opinion, thats the beauty of it too….
Ehh, Dream Theater is the best, Pink Floyd are progressive geniuses, Led Zeppelin are rock gods, and let’s love them all. By the way, Syd Barrett left the band for being a complete acidhead. They had to cancel a tour because he was so screwed up. After he left, they really took off.
yes, ever has an opinion, but i think you listen to zeppelin, but you do not hear. i don’t skip tracks on led zeppelin albums. i find all their songs, with the exception of a small few, to be great. led zeppelin is probably the greatest band of all time, not just bc they did things others weren’t doing, or they were innovators, or they worked hard, but because they were a musical phenomenon and they have the music, songs, and albums to back it up. i can’t understand why you keep tracks on their albums, maybe your musical ear is not too mature, i don’t know but zeppelin is great bc they are great. oh well…at least i can enjoy what you’re missing out on, friend.
are you serious? did you even listen to any of their songs closely at all? they have many amazing songs that surpass stairway to heaven
for instance: houses of the holy, entire album, since ive been loving you, gallow’s pole, ramble on, babe im gonna leave you, achilles last stand, tangerine, misty mountain top, in my time of dying, wanton song
They were popular because they stayed with themeselves and their own interests instead of blindly following the fluctuating musical movements of the 70’s.
Led ZEppelin is “overrated” for a reason, if you call it overrated. they performed outstanding concerts reaching their songs beyond the 4 minute love song with a catchy beat to large solo structures and transitions to each song which would make the back of your neck tingle.
if all you think are led zeppelins good songs are stairway and kashmir, you obviously have no depth in listening to your music.
LED does indeed suck a lot. Why?, they have no blues or soul. At this point your probably like wtf man. But it's true. There's something that all you guys gotta realize critics and supporters-and that is that the true blues and start of rock is surely accredited true musicians like Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach,Miles Davis, Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, Lonnie Johnson,Freddie King, Art Tatum, King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, Rev. Gary Davis, Blind Blake, and for all you guitarists, without knowledge of the best guitarists ,Charlie Christian, you don't deserve to have a guitar. Of course there's nothing wrong with as jack black loves to put it "Rocking away the day", but what ticks me off is that you all don't understand the beauty and importance of the preliminary periods.Be honest to its easy to say "o of course i Do" but come on its not true. Led zeppelin has no impact or footprint in comparison with Robert Johnson's accompaniment and voicing.
As for Plant-he sucks-the bassist-ok-drummer lol buddy rich would rip him a new one, even though leds drummer doesn't employ any "machine head" drumming that entire genre doesn't apply to Rich and Roaches changes and playability
Finally, there's Page- lol, although I must agree that with the Yardbirds he does play well, but with led that stupid integration of the minor and major pentatonic is so stupid. What is so funny to me is that over 65% of Leds music is acoustic, so how heavy are they LOL. My suggestion to any guitarists out thier is to get a Grant Green play along book by Wolf Marshall, along with Christian and Freddie King. Also study tenor saxophonist Sonny Rollins.
Sorry everyone, no one holds a candle to Dream Theater. Really. Led Zepp=GREAT blues/rock band. Fantastic, beautiful, wonderful. Orgasm in a song? Hells to the yeah, that's real. Pink Floyd=great stoner prog rock group. Wonderful, brilliant. Both carved a path. Dream Theater is the end of the path that many bands have carved. Love them all.
THANKYOU! Compared to the Who, zeppelin sucks.
I can't believe someone said Muse were better than Led Zeppelin. Muse are basically a Radiohead/Queen cover band.
Dude come on, Led Zeppelin is my favorite band in the world! Why are you dissing them? People say that one album of Pink Floyd has more good songs then Led Zeppelin's whole repertoire combined, but that's so untrue. I can name 10 good songs off my head without breaking a sweat- Stairway to Heaven, Whole Lotta Love, Rock N' Roll, What is and What Should Never Be, Ramble on, Over the Hills and Far Away, the Immigrant Song, All my love, Nobody's fault but mine, and the Lemon Song. I can name about 50 more if I really think about it. Besides, Led Zeppelin was only around for 12 years before John Bonham died, and in that short time they didn't make a single song I don't like! ROCK ON LED ZEPPELIN!
How can you overrate perfection?
all i gotta say is: fuck you. gimme a break, LZ rocks.
i think that its important to understand that music is not a competition, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, god damn Green Day for fucks sake all have theri merit to each indivudal person, and culture and values have alot to do with what makes a group "the fucking best of all time" as opposed to "a shitpile sellout trend." i think we all need tojust chill the fuck out and enjoy our music for what it is without getting our panties all ties in a knot because we feel the need to prove a point.
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there are so many people who are way off here. Led Zeppelin was THE first band that basicly started it all. They are known as the first metal band. bands like the beatles were good song writers, but crappy musicians. there is no real guitar, drum, or bass talent. Zeppelin even had a uk tour before they even had an album out. They have the first REAL guitar player, the best rock vocalist the world has ever known, a drummer that was the one who started up playing really hard, and a bass player who is extremely talented, and helped Jimmy produce the albums. They were awarded the best band award for at least 5 years in a row, and started many stage shows that you see today in every band like fire, extensive lighting, and a huge TV screen behind them for people in the back. Without these gods who literally started it all, there would be no Black sabbath, deep purple, warrant, extreme, skid row, AC/DC(the most overrated band), neil young, blue cheer, even rap and hiphop, because there would be no blondie.
DARK SIDE WAS BRILLIANT; AS WAS THE WALL, ANIMALS AND WISH YOU WERE HERE. AFTER THAT, HOWEVER, PINK FLOYDS MUSIC IS HARD TO LISTEN TO UNLESS YOU ARE A STONER. ZEPPELIN WAS A LITTLE OVERRATED. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR WORK WAS BRILLIANT(EVEN IF SOME OF IT WAS STOLEN) I'VE HEARD SOME LIVE BOOTLEG PERFORMANCES THAT WERE REALLY BAD. HOW THE WEST WAS WON IS DOCTORED UP;BUT I STILL FIND IT ENJOYABLE.
I can’t beleive, that first of all, you guys are actually fighting over which band is better. I beleive they are in two different categories all together. I am a huge LZ fan, but I do appreciate Pink Floyd’s work. I think they have a great sound, and I knew that since I was 9 and got dark side of the moon for my birthday. I loved their style and especcially their synth work, but as for my overall opinion, I would go with LZ. Especcially J. Page, being one of my favorite guitarists of all time, up there with Steve Vai and even Malmsteen. But as for comparing the two, I really don’t think it’s worth it to spend time on an opinionated rant.